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Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] Diagramming trust - another take

Again, isn't ownership a state, not an action.  When I own a house I can
decide who is allowed in and who isn't.  The boundary, in our culture
starts either at the door for a condo or the property line for a house.
But I can demolish the house and plant corn or flowers...what happens to
the house I decide (governance...every man's house is his castle????).
Likewise, with services, if I own it, I can decide (govern) who uses it
and for what purpose.  I can stop offering the service, I can offer it
free, or conditionally--my decision.  However, once I rent our my house
or allow organizations to use my service, I now have obligations that
are implies or explicitly stated in the "contract."  And the T&Cs of
that contract had better match my policies, or I am SOL.

PS--My experience going through 5 or 6 mergers is that there is no such
thing...all of them have been acquisitions and as soon as the
acquisition has taken place, the baby is thrown out with the bath water,
keeping only those few parts for which the acquisition was made...this
is the only way large companies, otherwise on the going out of business
curve avoid going out of business.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:24 AM
To: Rex Brooks; Ellinger, Robert S (IS); Ken Laskey; James Odell
Cc: David E. Ellis; Francis McCabe; soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] Diagramming trust - another take

Of course the thing owned has boundaries that the owner in concert with
social facts establishes. I don't think it much matters what the goal is
or is not. CA bought Platinum Technologies. Said that they wanted to
incorporate it in their offerings and did not carry through on that.
(What a surprise!).

H-P bought Compaq and the same thing happened. The point is that stated
goals are not necessarily true.

RWE: The competitor was effectively eliminated. Wonder what'll happen if
IBM is allowed to buy Sun? Whatever happens will likely be in what IBM
collectively and managerially decides is in its interest, not the
public's or the economy's interests, but we will be affected,


At 6:14 AM -0700 4/6/09, Rex Brooks wrote:
>Its not the boundary of the house, Bob,
>Its the boundary of the owner. You still own the house even if you are 
>on vacation on the other side of the world, and if you haven't invested

>in adequate security, the boundary stays with you while a group of 
>burglars slips in ... just kidding! ;-)
>At 7:39 AM -0500 4/6/09, Ellinger, Robert S (IS) wrote:
>>I opened the first diagram and was immediately confused.  When I "own"

>>a house I have neither goals or constraints (other than paying the 
>>taxes on the place) so how does the diagram define the boundary of my
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org]
>>Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 12:06 AM
>>To: James Odell
>>Cc: David E. Ellis; Francis McCabe; soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
>>Subject: [soa-rm-ra] Diagramming trust - another take
>>After another long talk with Dave Ellis, I am again inspired to try to

>>express some ideas, and this time I come with definitions and
>>Goal: a desired set of real world effects
>>Goal may be that the real world effects are realized, avoided, or some

>>Constraint: a specified set of real world effects that an actor is
>>    (1) limited from pursuing or being responsible for indirectly 
>>causing, or
>>    (2) responsible for pursuing
>>Ownership Boundary: the extent of an identifiable set of actors 
>>sharing a common set of goals and constraints, and other common 
>>entities through which the goals and constraints can be expressed.
>>A given actor may reside within one or more ownership boundaries. 
>>There may be agreed upon protocols for interactions that cross 
>>ownership boundaries or an actor crossing an ownership boundary may 
>>independently need to resolve any mismatches.
>>Reputation: a property of a given actor assigned by other actors based

>>on the accumulated experience experience of the other actors on the 
>>extent to which real world effects resulting from interaction with the

>>given actor are assessed as desirable, neutral, or undesirable.
>>Other definitions are needed but I was concentrating on the diagrams 
>>that follow.
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>Berkeley, CA 94702
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Starbourne Communications Design
GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison
Berkeley, CA 94702
Tel: 510-898-0670

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