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Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] Diagramming trust - another take
Yes, ownership is definitely a state. The point was that stated goals are not all that literally reliable. I think reputation and the internal assessment that constitutes trust must use goals as usable intermediary formulations against which the assessment or perception takes place. We take stated goals as a form of code, such as you related, Bob. Might be wise to imply that or else say it explicitly. Cheers, Rex At 8:46 AM -0500 4/6/09, Ellinger, Robert S (IS) wrote: >Again, isn't ownership a state, not an action. When I own a house I can >decide who is allowed in and who isn't. The boundary, in our culture >starts either at the door for a condo or the property line for a house. >But I can demolish the house and plant corn or flowers...what happens to >the house I decide (governance...every man's house is his castle????). >Likewise, with services, if I own it, I can decide (govern) who uses it >and for what purpose. I can stop offering the service, I can offer it >free, or conditionally--my decision. However, once I rent our my house >or allow organizations to use my service, I now have obligations that >are implies or explicitly stated in the "contract." And the T&Cs of >that contract had better match my policies, or I am SOL. > >PS--My experience going through 5 or 6 mergers is that there is no such >thing...all of them have been acquisitions and as soon as the >acquisition has taken place, the baby is thrown out with the bath water, >keeping only those few parts for which the acquisition was made...this >is the only way large companies, otherwise on the going out of business >curve avoid going out of business. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] >Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:24 AM >To: Rex Brooks; Ellinger, Robert S (IS); Ken Laskey; James Odell >Cc: David E. Ellis; Francis McCabe; soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org >Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] Diagramming trust - another take > >Of course the thing owned has boundaries that the owner in concert with >social facts establishes. I don't think it much matters what the goal is >or is not. CA bought Platinum Technologies. Said that they wanted to >incorporate it in their offerings and did not carry through on that. >(What a surprise!). > >H-P bought Compaq and the same thing happened. The point is that stated >goals are not necessarily true. > >RWE: The competitor was effectively eliminated. Wonder what'll happen if >IBM is allowed to buy Sun? Whatever happens will likely be in what IBM >collectively and managerially decides is in its interest, not the >public's or the economy's interests, but we will be affected, >regardless. > >Cheers, >Rex > >At 6:14 AM -0700 4/6/09, Rex Brooks wrote: >>Its not the boundary of the house, Bob, >> >>Its the boundary of the owner. You still own the house even if you are >>on vacation on the other side of the world, and if you haven't invested > >>in adequate security, the boundary stays with you while a group of >>burglars slips in ... just kidding! ;-) >> >>Cheers, >>Rex >> >>At 7:39 AM -0500 4/6/09, Ellinger, Robert S (IS) wrote: >>>Ken: >>> >>>I opened the first diagram and was immediately confused. When I "own" > >>>a house I have neither goals or constraints (other than paying the >>>taxes on the place) so how does the diagram define the boundary of my >house? >>> >>>Bob >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org] >>>Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 12:06 AM >>>To: James Odell >>>Cc: David E. Ellis; Francis McCabe; soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org >>>Subject: [soa-rm-ra] Diagramming trust - another take >>> >>>> >>> >>>After another long talk with Dave Ellis, I am again inspired to try to > >>>express some ideas, and this time I come with definitions and >diagrams. >>> >>>Goal: a desired set of real world effects >>> >>>Goal may be that the real world effects are realized, avoided, or some > >>>combination. >>> >>>Constraint: a specified set of real world effects that an actor is >>> (1) limited from pursuing or being responsible for indirectly >>>causing, or >>> (2) responsible for pursuing >>> >>>Ownership Boundary: the extent of an identifiable set of actors >>>sharing a common set of goals and constraints, and other common >>>entities through which the goals and constraints can be expressed. >>> >>>A given actor may reside within one or more ownership boundaries. >>>There may be agreed upon protocols for interactions that cross >>>ownership boundaries or an actor crossing an ownership boundary may >>>independently need to resolve any mismatches. >>> >>>Reputation: a property of a given actor assigned by other actors based > >>>on the accumulated experience experience of the other actors on the >>>extent to which real world effects resulting from interaction with the > >>>given actor are assessed as desirable, neutral, or undesirable. >>> >>>Other definitions are needed but I was concentrating on the diagrams >>>that follow. >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >>>generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: >>>https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php >> >> >>-- >>Rex Brooks >>President, CEO >>Starbourne Communications Design >>GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison >>Berkeley, CA 94702 >>Tel: 510-898-0670 >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >>generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: >>https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > > >-- >Rex Brooks >President, CEO >Starbourne Communications Design >GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison >Berkeley, CA 94702 >Tel: 510-898-0670 -- Rex Brooks President, CEO Starbourne Communications Design GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison Berkeley, CA 94702 Tel: 510-898-0670
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