Re: [soa-rm-ra] SOA-RA(F) reorganization

[Francis McCabe <frankmccabe@mac.com>]

I meant to add that your revision to S5 looks much better than the  
current one.
On Apr 12, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Ellinger, Robert S (IS) wrote:

> Please take a look at the following reorganization.
> I started with the sections in red as reorganized in the Revised  
> outline
> (attached).
> Then I commenced a complete edit/restructuring of those sections.  I
> couldn't help myself and did some wordsmithing, hopefully for
> readability.  I do not intend for the result to be THE finished  
> product,
> but I hope it communicates more clearly with the uninitiated reader.
> Additionally, again I couldn't help myself, I reduced the number of
> headings substantially--Sorry Ken.
>
> Bob
>
> I hope we can talk about it on Wednesday.
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Odell [mailto:email@jamesodell.com]
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:39 PM
> To: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] SOA-RA(F) reorganization
>
> Rex,
>
> Yes, I agree.  A section for Policies outside Contract -- in  
> addition to
> the leaving a  Policies and Contracts -- makes good sense to me.
>
> Ciao,
> Jim
>
> On 4/11/09 7:41 PM, "Rex Brooks" indited:
>
>> Than ks Jim,
>>
>> I agree about Policies pertaining to more than just contracts. I  
>> think
>
>> our focus on crossing organizational boundaries tends to make us  
>> think
>
>> along those lines more than we would if we were more focused within  
>> an
>
>> enterprise boundary. Role policies, for instance, are more routine
>> within an enterprise, and rules for what happens when events are
>> reported are often more prescribed.
>>
>> I'd just add a section for Policies outside Contract context.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Rex
>>
>> At 5:46 PM -0400 4/11/09, James Odell wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> After yet another reading of the SOA-RA (Foundation?) and having sat
>>> through the recent spate of meetings, I have the following say about
>>> the reorganization of the SOA-RA:
>>>
>>> Overall, I think that the chapters and topics are sequenced in a
>>> coherent and logical manner.  Perhaps, it is because I read it too
>>> many times now.  But, I don't think so.
>>> Also, I understand the need to minimize the amount of work needed on
>>> the SOA-RA at this point in its development.  We need to get it
>>> released for public comment - without compromising quality and
>>> understandability, of course.
>>> Having said this, the only thing that bothers me enough to suggest a
>>> reorganizational change is the area of Policies:
>>>
>>> 1)  Policies, in general, are depicted in document far earlier than
>>> they are finally addressed (by 40-50 pages).  Since policies - IMO -
>>> are an important ingredient in the SOA-RA, I would like to see them
>>> addressed earlier.  (My personal opinion is that policies are not
>>> mentioned anywhere near the amount that they should. For example,
>>> they are used in events, composition of services, roles, and
>>> organizations.  However, since this would involve additions to the
>>> current document, I will not push this)
>>>
>>> 2) I strongly dislike grouping the entire topic with contracts.
>>> While policies are used for contracts, Policy is a standalone  
>>> concept
>
>>> - which neither depends on nor is used solely with Contract.
>>> (Even the OMG and W3C treat policies as a separate notion.)  Why is
>>> this reasonable?  Because policies are used in a variety of
>>> situations - only one of which is contracts.  By placing Policies in
>>> lock step with (and almost subordinate to) with Contracts is not
>>> appropriate, IMO.
>>>
>>> 3) My suggestion: separate Policies and Contracts into two distinct
>>> subsections (e.g., 4.4 and 4.5).
>>>
>>> In short, this would provide clarity for the notion of Policy and  
>>> not
>
>>> require much change to the current document.
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Jim
>>
>
>
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