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Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] SOA-RA(F) reorganization
I think we need to slightly expand our treatment of policy, but I don't think we should be getting too specific or detailed. We're just establishing a foundation, after all. Cheers, Rex At 6:24 PM -0500 4/12/09, Mike Poulin wrote: >As I recall, a year ago I initiated a >discussion here about relationship between >Policies and Contracts. Now, it looks like James >has picked up my position. I said that time that: >1) contracts (due to their private matter) may >not refer to each other while policies may and >effectively do >2) contracts may include more things than just >policies or references to policies, e.g. a >selection of a subset of services interfaces >derived from the service description. This >information is not really a policy though it may >be expressed in the form of policy assertions >3) there may be different types of policies - >for the service development and for the >run-time. The latter must be mentioned in the >service contracts as well as in the service >descriptions (otherwise the consumer is not >obliged to be compliant with non-specified >policies), the former does not need such >mentioning but they might be included into >development tools and design controls. > >In any case, Policies AND Contracts deserve much more attention in SOA RM. > >- Michael > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "James Odell" >To: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org >Subject: [soa-rm-ra] SOA-RA(F) reorganization >Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:46:06 -0400 > >Hi all, > >After yet another reading of the SOA-RA >(Foundation?) and having sat through the recent >spate of meetings, I have the following say >about the reorganization of the SOA-RA: > >Overall, I think that the chapters and topics >are sequenced in a coherent and logical manner. > Perhaps, it is because I read it too many times >now. But, I dont think so. >Also, I understand the need to minimize the >amount of work needed on the SOA-RA at this >point in its development. We need to get it >released for public comment without >compromising quality and understandability, of >course. >Having said this, the only thing that bothers me >enough to suggest a reorganizational change is >the area of Policies: > >1) Policies, in general, are depicted in >document far earlier than they are finally >addressed (by 40-50 pages). Since policies >IMO are an important ingredient in the SOA-RA, >I would like to see them addressed earlier. (My >personal opinion is that policies are not >mentioned anywhere near the amount that they >should. For example, they are used in events, >composition of services, roles, and >organizations. However, since this would >involve additions to the current document, I >will not push this) > >2) I strongly dislike grouping the entire topic >with contracts. While policies are used for >contracts, Policy is a standalone concept >which neither depends on nor is used solely with >Contract. (Even the OMG and W3C treat policies >as a separate notion.) Why is this reasonable? > Because policies are used in a variety of >situations only one of which is contracts. By >placing Policies in lock step with (and almost >subordinate to) with Contracts is not >appropriate, IMO. > >3) My suggestion: separate Policies and >Contracts into two distinct subsections (e.g., >4.4 and 4.5). > >In short, this would provide clarity for the >notion of Policy and not require much change to >the current document. > > >All the best, > >Jim > > >-- >Be Yourself @ mail.com! >Choose From 200+ Email Addresses >Get a Free Account at <http://www.mail.com/Product.aspx>www.mail.com! -- Rex Brooks President, CEO Starbourne Communications Design GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison Berkeley, CA 94702 Tel: 510-898-0670
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