RE: [soa-rm-ra] A comment on ecosystems

["Lublinsky, Boris" <boris.lublinsky@navteq.com>]

Well,
What other way of using services do you know? I mean composition in a
very wide sense, including eventing, BPM, direct invocation, etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Francis McCabe [mailto:frankmccabe@mac.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 2:29 PM
To: Lublinsky, Boris
Cc: Ken Laskey; soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] A comment on ecosystems

What I was trying to articulate was that what may happen may not be  
`captured' as a composition of services. This is a real screwdrivers  
to screws conceptualization.
On May 7, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Lublinsky, Boris wrote:

> Gets,
> Wasn't composability always a holy Grail of SOA? The definition was
> always, that you implement services, representing basic functionality,
> that are fairly stable and then use orchestrations (BPM) to implement
> solutions that are based on these services in a ways, that were not
> necessarily envisioned by service creators.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org]
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:51 PM
> To: Francis McCabe
> Cc: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org RA
> Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] A comment on ecosystems
>
> Frank,
>
> I believe we all agree on this, but I think you put it very well.  Our
> discussions have always pushed in the direction of the "appropriate"
> unexpected -- here, I'm differentiating from repurposing for malice or
> illegal profit.  Is there any place where we have limited ourselves?
>
> Ken
>
> P.S. I had a productive discussion with our TOG friends this morning,
> and I'd like to pass this along to them.  It also shows a repurposing
> of something that isn't necessarily within your enterprise.
>
> On May 7, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Francis McCabe wrote:
>
>> I mentioned that I had been thinking about ecosystems lately, and
>> this image captures an aspect of this nicely:
>> <07moth-prac.jpg>
>>
>>
>> The point here is that the icon for wifi has be repurposed in a way
>> that is both unexpected and obvious at the same time.
>>
>> The idea that somehow we can build an ecosystem where the only thing
>> that is going on is new services being added -- each of which is
>> neatly described etc. -- is naive. In a true ecosystem, the
>> different players build on each other in unexpected and non-
>> foreseable ways.
>>
>> Another example of this is Google. Google uses the web HTTP/HTML to
>> deliver its services. But its role in the web ecosystem is not
>> captured by HTTP/HTML. If you view its wordsense/advertising
>> functions as one of its most influential 'services', the full impact
>> of this is not felt by the delivery means.
>>
>> If you think about what will happen with the next 'big thing'; you
>> can be reasonably sure that (a) it will build on the success of
>> services like Google and (b) that it will do so in a way that is not
>> currently predictable (otherwise we would all be driving better  
>> cars).
>>
>> I can see a scenario where the next big thing in SOA will layer over
>> services, will use services and SOA concepts, but is not containable
>> by SOA concepts such as description and interaction.
>>
>> Do not know what this means for the RA, except that I have a strong
>> feeling that we have been limiting ourselves too much.
>>
>> Frank
>
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