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Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] Another diagram
I come back to what I consider a key difference with Frank and that is whether we roll risk in with trust or have it as a separate concept. The decision point/willingness threshold is a lot easier to represent if I have these separate. Ken On May 14, 2009, at 12:35 AM, Danny Thornton wrote: > Making a decision based on a belief that is contradicted by evidence > means a set of rules exist that are higher priority than the attempt > to create new rules based on evidence. In either case there is a > rule base (willingness) for the decision making process. > > In the opposite case, as in the con man, rules may override > preexisting rules based on evidence, even if the evidence is false. > > Trust does not have to be based on an action but is based on some > expected real world effect. Ken has stated this observation a > couple of times. A computing system may calculate that the > resources required to prevent negative consequences outweighs the > negative consequences. The negative consequences may be due to > actions or inaction. > > I've attached an updated version of Frank's diagram with these > views. I specifically did not give State the name of Shared State > and I specifically did not connect State to Real World Effect > (Duane's con man example and also the case of insanity). > > Danny > > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Duane Nickull <dnickull@adobe.com> wrote: > >> From: Duane Nickull <dnickull@adobe.com> >> Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] Another diagram >> To: "Ken Laskey" <klaskey@mitre.org>, "Rex Brooks" <rexb@starbourne.com >> > >> Cc: "Francis McCabe" <frankmccabe@mac.com>, "soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org >> " <soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org> >> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 2:31 PM >> >> >> Re: [soa-rm-ra] Another diagram >> >> >> I agree with Ken (especially the >> part about not trusting Bettina to pick out a good action >> movie). I think that “evidence” is really >> “beliefs” or similar. Many people see >> evidence to the contrary but still believe their original >> notions. For example, your see evidence that >> contradicts your deep rooted beliefs. Most people >> still like to cling to their belief system. >> >> >> >> D >> >> >> >> >> >> On 5/13/09 2:00 PM, "Ken Laskey" <klaskey@mitre.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> I do not >> trust her to go to the video >> >> store and pick out a good action adventure movie. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sr. Technical Evangelist – Adobe Systems >> >> Chair – OASIS SOA RM Technical Committee >> >> Manager – Adobe LiveCycle ES Developers List >> >> Blog: http://technoracle.blogspot.com >> >> Twitter: duanechaos >> >> TV Show: http://www.duanesworldtv.org >> >> Band: http://www.myspace.com/22ndcentury >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > <Trust.png><ATT00001.txt> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Laskey MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934 7515 Colshire Drive fax: 703-983-1379 McLean VA 22102-7508
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