I was not suggesting that (I think). But what I feel pretty strongly about is anything that prescribes the processes involved in establishing trust. We need to highlight the role trust has in getting business done in a SOA ecosystem. Beyond that, I become more skeptical.
On May 14, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Ken Laskey wrote: I believe trust as an abstract concept without a connection to how and why one uses it in the context of SOA is out of scope.
Ken On May 14, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Francis McCabe wrote: I think that this leads to a cost-benefit-risk analysis. I would argue that while that may be very important, it is not the same thing as trust.
Everyone (I hope) agrees that trust is contextual.
However, the fact of trust, or the concept of trust, is different to actually placing trust in someone. We have to decide which we want to model: the process of establishing trust, or what trust is?
Personally, I think that the former is as out of scope as technology choices for communication.
Frank On May 13, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Ken Laskey wrote: That's why in the Trust and Risk diagram, both are connected to the RWE because both are different for $20 or $100K. Without that connection, there is no context, and I believe that context has to be in the model.
Ken On May 13, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Duane Nickull wrote:
On 5/13/09 5:07 PM, "Ken Laskey" <klaskey@mitre.org> wrote:
However, in the concert with additional Evidence, it may just be evidence of sloppy decision making or insanity.
Or someone setting you up for a bigger con. Think of how pool sharks operate. I was more than confident I could beat some people at snooker in a bar as evidenced by my performance in the first games. When beers were bet, all of a sudden the outcomes seemed to change.
In eBusiness, an ASP might be trusted to provide a certain set of business services up to a specific point yet when a threshold is crossed, the trust diminishes. I would trust a courier to take a $20 bill across town on a bike but would generally not give him $100,000 cash.
I am not sure how to capture this though. IT is much harder than I ever imagined.
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