Re: [soa-rm-ra] Another diagram

[Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>]

I agree that Trust is contextual. I don't necessarily agree that the 
process of establishing trust is out of scope but I can live without 
it provided the agreement on the dependency of Action on Willingness 
stands. That is why I concentrated on getting agreement that Action 
is dependent on Willingness , so that in solution architectures based 
on the RAF, the Willingness Threshold can be modeled without 
requiring it in the RAF. That way process is subsumed and usable.

Cheers,
Rex

At 11:29 AM -0700 5/14/09, Francis McCabe wrote:
>I think that this leads to a cost-benefit-risk analysis. I would 
>argue that while that may be very important, it is not the same 
>thing as trust.
>
>Everyone (I hope) agrees that trust is contextual.
>
>However, the fact of trust, or the concept of trust, is different to 
>actually placing trust in someone. We have to decide which we want 
>to model: the process of establishing trust, or what trust is?
>
>Personally, I think that the former is as out of scope as technology 
>choices for communication.
>
>Frank
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>On May 13, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Ken Laskey wrote:
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>>That's why in the Trust and Risk diagram, both are connected to the 
>>RWE because both are different for $20 or $100K.  Without that 
>>connection, there is no context, and I believe that context has to 
>>be in the model.
>>
>>Ken
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>>On May 13, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Duane Nickull wrote:
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>>>On 5/13/09 5:07 PM, "Ken Laskey" <<>klaskey@mitre.org> wrote:
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>>>However, in the concert with additional Evidence, it may just be 
>>>evidence of sloppy decision making or insanity.
>>>
>>>Or someone setting you up for a bigger con.  Think of how pool 
>>>sharks operate.  I was more than confident I could beat some 
>>>people at snooker in a bar as evidenced by my performance in the 
>>>first games.  When beers were bet, all of a sudden the outcomes 
>>>seemed to change.
>>>
>>>In eBusiness, an ASP might be trusted to provide a certain set of 
>>>business services up to a specific point yet when a threshold is 
>>>crossed, the trust diminishes.  I would trust a courier to take a 
>>>$20 bill across town on a bike but would generally not give him 
>>>$100,000 cash.
>>>
>>>I am not sure how to capture this though.  IT is much harder than 
>>>I ever imagined.
>>>
>>>D
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