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Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] Are we being ignored?
In 2006, I purchased one of Thomas Erl's SOA books because he was one of the first people with a large volume of information published on the subject. I also found the OASIS SOA RM draft about the same time. I later purchased a second SOA book of Thomas Erl's to gain more of his insights. As a working software architect, I have not used Thomas Erl's books for SOA. I have, however, worked with multiple companies and also people in the government responsible for project oversight who have frequently cited the OASIS SOA Reference Model. As far as most developers go, they will not be won over until they have the tools in hand to help them more effectively get their jobs done on a day-to-day bases. Developers are won over by things like the use of WSDLs to generate clients, being able to use XML schemas to generate marshalling/unmarshalling code, automated support for WS-* standards. I would guess the time horizon for tools to mature to support a full SOA ecosystem will be around 2020. I would also guess the OASIS SOA RA will gain traction in a top down fashion meaning that decision makers with authority to direct funds for software projects will cite the OASIS SOA RM & RA and developers will have to know how to respond. Danny -----Original Message----- From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:24 AM To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] Are we being ignored? Exactly, Frank! I only point to the concern that saying right things in SOA RA may be not enough because the second, but also first priority, thing is to win the audience. I said make SOA RA much more VISIBLE to developers just to mitigate the resistance in both Business and IT to what SOA really is (the provider at the boarder, a bridge suitable to both Business and Technology). In my opinion, developers have to start thinking in services instead of in IT application integration and accept that thinking though SOA solutions and re-arranging development process around services and service compositions are must have aspects of modern IT work. That is, I am calling for more aggressive promotion of RA opinions, statements, views and approaches. (As I mentioned already, SoaML standard repeats declarative wording from SOA RM but drops the actual consequences from them for the sake of winning developers who do not see real SOA wood behind the Web Services trees) - Michael ----------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] Are we being ignored? From: Francis McCabe <email@example.com> To: "Lublinsky, Boris" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:12:47 -0700 I sympathize with the sentiment behind this. We have consistently identified SOA as being at the boundary between business and IT. It is neither wholly IT nor wholly business but is of both worlds. That represents potentially one of SOA's greatest opportunities; and the source of its weaknesses: neither business nor IT can completely own/grok SOA. Frank