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Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] intro discussion for Wednesday [was: [soa-rm-ra]positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business]
Hi Ken,
A couple of coincidences contributed to helping me find this particular
reference.
1. I had an email breakdown a couple of months back when Eudora on my
Mac broke down. I ended up switching to Thunderbird so I could retrieve
my archives because Mozilla took over from Qualcom when they decided to
cut loose from Eudora, and allow Mozilla to maintain Eudora in open
source. So I had to learn about using Thunderbird, including how to use
the search capabilities, so I could search my archives based on your
name as "From" string, then sort through that set of messages to find
the email, then cross-reference it by date to the OASIS Kavi archives.
2. I took on co-chair duties for the Emergency Management Adoption TC's
Collateral and Documents SC, where we have been tasked with making it
easier to find "Hidden Gems" in email threads and in research
documentation, as well as developing a standard set of documents aimed
at various audiences to support promoting adoption of the EM TC Standards.
We have since included the task of developing ways of supporting OASIS
newbies get up to speed on using OASIS resources.
So we're studying these problems and working on solutions. It turns out
that we have a number of fairly discrete audiences:
* newbies and non-technical managerial types who need to understand
why they should use standards and why they should ask their
management for support resources for adopting standards and
participating in the standards-development process; to
* developers and technical audiences who only want technical details
and recipes for implementation.
Turns out one size fits none, so we're trying to take a more structured
approach to providing educational and promotional materials as well as
technical documentation.
Looks like there are some practical benefits to the work.
Cheers,
Rex
Laskey, Ken wrote:
> Thanks, Rex. I would have never found this.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dr. Kenneth Laskey
> MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934
> 7515 Colshire Drive fax: 703-983-1379
> McLean VA 22102-7508
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:01 PM
> To: Laskey, Ken
> Cc: mpoulin@usa.com; soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] intro discussion for Wednesday [was: [soa-rm-ra] positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business]
>
> Hi Ken, Everyone,
>
> I believe that the email you are looking for is your reply to Frank:
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/soa-rm-ra/email/archives/200906/msg00012.html
>
> This is what Frank Wrote Jun 14, 2009, at 7:12 PM:
>
> "I sympathize with the sentiment behind this. We have consistently
> identified SOA as being at the boundary between business and IT. It is
> neither wholly IT nor wholly business but is of both worlds.
>
> That represents potentially one of SOA's greatest opportunities; and the
> source of its weaknesses: neither business nor IT can completely
> own/grok SOA.
>
> Frank"
>
> The email referenced above contains the most or all of the thread "Are
> we being ignored?"
>
> I'm not sure we would help ourselves if we say more than "The SOA
> Ecosystem described in this document occupies the boundary between
> Business and IT. It is neither wholly IT nor wholly Business, but is of
> both worlds. Neither Business nor IT completely own, govern and manage
> this SOA Ecosystem. Both sets of concerns MUST be accommodated for the
> SOA Ecosystem to fulfill its purposes."
>
> Cheers,
> Rex
>
>
> Laskey, Ken wrote:
>
>> This is a reminder that this week we are scheduled to discuss adding the text on the overlap of SOA and business. Below is text suggested by Michael Poulin and there is another email from Boris with a lot of idea that would need to be condensed and added/substituted/combined. Let's get the discussion far enough along that we can bring this to (close to) closure by the end of Wednesday's call.
>>
>> I remember there was an email where Frank wrote something very crisp on this subject that I replied was exactly what we needed to say. Unfortunately, I have no idea when that email thread occurred. If someone could find it, I think it would be a good contribution to the discussion.
>>
>> Back to Mike's suggested text, two immediate things come to mind.
>>
>> 1. Section 1.4 is a discussion of the views and this is not a view to be added as 1.4.4. I think it fits after section 1.2, possibly as another short section.
>>
>> 2. It is not obvious to me what the phrase "the similarity of the principles of the Value Networks business model" means.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Dr. Kenneth Laskey
>> MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934
>> 7515 Colshire Drive fax: 703-983-1379
>> McLean VA 22102-7508
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mpoulin@usa.com [mailto:mpoulin@usa.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:31 AM
>> To: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
>> Subject: [soa-rm-ra] positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I join Francis and Boris in suggestion that SOA RA's Introduction would benefit from adding a couple of paragraphs on the business aspects of SOA positioned across Business and IT.
>>
>> In the previous message I composed a few words for a small section on this topic and propose to discuss them as an initial draft during the next (or following) Telecom. Proposed text may be found in the middle of this message chain.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> - Michael
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: RE: todos for PR2
>>
>> From: mpoulin@usa.com
>> To: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
>> Date: 8 Sep 2009 16:21:26 -0000
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business" is what I write a lot for last few months. So, let me propose a strawman for this text:
>>
>>
>> 1.4.4 Business Value of the Service Oriented Architecture
>>
>> A Service Oriented Architecture realizes principles of the concept of service orientation in the sphere of architecture. The architecture in the organisation comprises both business architecture and technical architecture of the systems [ref. to TOGAF 9.0]. While SOA-based systems address aspects of the technical architecture, the similarity of the principles of the Value Networks business model and SOA allows us to see SOA as a conceptual bridge between corporate Business and IT.
>>
>> Noticed similarity opens up new possibilities for Business and IT to construct service-oriented customer-centric convergent solutions for business problems. Service orientation enables operational and technical flexibility, which contributes to business efficiency the great deal. The Service Orientation concept has the potential not only to align IT with Business, but also to align the entire company with the market dynamics.
>>
>>
>> If the ideas in this writing are acceptable, I will work on the wording.
>>
>> - Michael Poulin
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: Francis McCabe <fmccabe@gmail.com>
>> To: "soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org RA" <soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org>
>> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 19:24:08 -0700
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> 1. As Boris alluded to, I think that a paragraph or two in the
>> introduction positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business could
>> be very useful. It is also pretty faithful to the RAF!
>>
>> 2. The concept of interaction in the RM referred *everything* involved
>> in interacting with services. For the RA we have to unpack that some.
>> This is the foundation for the multi-leveled concept of joint action.
>> This should go in Section 3.1.
>>
>> 3. I think that Danny's security diagram should be updated and
>> incorporated.
>>
>> 4. The trust and willingness stuff should go in.
>>
>> 5. It would be good if we could go through the text bolding defined
>> concepts.
>>
>>
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