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Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] Finalised definitions list and comparison table


Hi Michael:

1 – I was asked to indicate, for each concept that we define (= term) whether other concepts are used in that definition. For example, the definition of ‘capability’ (whichever one you choose) uses the term ‘RWE’. The objective was to indicate simply dependencies between concepts defined, no more.

2 – I couldn’t agree more but they are listed as per the TC’s request. This needs to be addressed by the editors of the sections concerned.

3 – I agree but others don’t – it is an issue the TC needs to address – Chris and I cut back radically on the number of formally defined concepts precisely for the reasons you invoke. We need to distinguish those concepts that have a particular meaning and value for our work: I would suggest they must meet both criteria (particular meaning AND value) to be considered for inclusion as a formal definition.

 

Regards,

Peter

 

From: mpoulin@usa.com [mailto:mpoulin@usa.com]
Sent: Thursday, 27 January, 2011 01:46
To: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] Finalised definitions list and comparison table

 

Hi Peter,

 

 I have 'just' 3 notes:

 

1) I've found only the columns where you specify the line number that refers to the definition in different versions and its occurrences in different places of the document but not "A new column in those sheets with definitions, that indicates the other concepts referred to in the term definition" - it is not obvious that the referred lines belong to other concepts. I would prefer, if you do not mind, having references directly to other definitions in addition to other points in the text

 

2) I've found it is really difficult to deal with composite terms like 'Peer Social Structure' because there are too many potential dependencies separately for 'peer' and 'social structure' that may belong to totally different contexts. For example, reference to the line 2717 leads to 'peer' but 'social structure' is not even mentioned

 

3) in general, I find our extended vocabulary a bit artificial and difficult to operate with: we use relatively common words of plain English in the diagrams and text  AND re-define them in our special definitions. Since the words are common, the reader may not suspect that there is special ontology/semantic is meant in our vocabulary. I am afraid, it is overcomplicated.  Here is one of many examples:

our term Listener is commonly understood as something that listens; one can comprehend this 'something' as a noun - an actor, an object, an entity, a participant, a stakeholder, a system, a human that listens - it is simple and easy; instead, our definition says: "A listener is an actor [OK!] who performs actions [wait a minute, this starts the mixture of concerns!] needed to acquire [where this comes from?] a communication [why is this about a communication only? If an actor listens to acquire not a communication but something else, e.g. RWE, it is not a Listener any more, is it?..]" 

 

For given example, I would not define term Listener at all, it is clearly understood w/o our definition.

 

- Michael

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter F Brown <peter@peterfbrown.com>
To: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2011 7:42 am
Subject: [soa-rm-ra] Finalised definitions list and comparison table

Hi:

Chris and I have finished a new version of the definitions table, as requested.

 

The attached version includes:

-          A new sheet indicating where terms are used in Figures – we have “only” (yes, there are more than 150 of them…) included those terms that have not already been listed having a formal definition – we indicate the first occurrence of the term in a diagram as well as (where it is defined) the line number of the definition in the 17 Jan draft

-          A new column in those sheets with definitions, that indicates the other concepts referred to in the term definition

-          The ‘unused’ list is now only terms that are really not used at all, anywhere, in the text but may still appear on a diagram

 

We have not yet included the revised understanding of the concepts of state, shared state, shareable state, joint action, interaction, RWE, execution context – as well as our further understanding of the relationship of those concepts to the SOA ecosystem – I will write up my notes from the offline discussions and circulate those later Thursday.

 

Hope this all helps!

 

Regards,

Peter

 

Peter F Brown

Independent Consultant

Transforming our Relationships with Information Technologies

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