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Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] Management Model section after comments of this week
In theory yes, In practice those are typically several different URL that are
doing the actual processing From: Ken Laskey
[mailto:klaskey@mitre.org] re I do not think (I am sure)
service provider CAN NOT accommodate multiple policies of a same service
version. of course they can. You collect personal information from
me in the process of me using your service and you have considerable
flexibility on how you handle that information. We often use Web sites
with check boxes for other offers or sharing with “business partners”.
You uncheck the box to make a choice. Is it that much of a stretch to say there are three well
recognized privacy policies and you make choosing between them easy for
two. Why can’t I ask for the third? You go into a restaurant and something that was on the menu last
month is not there now. You’ve never asked if they can still make the
deleted item? Ken From: Lublinsky, Boris
[mailto:boris.lublinsky@navteq.com] I think that the only
reasonable answer to this problem – and I realize it’s a real problem – lies in
versioning. As a result of point - to – point negotiation a separate
specialized version of service with the policies required by client can be
created. But this will be a separate version with a separate description and
deployment. I do not think (I am sure)
service provider CAN NOT accommodate multiple policies of a same service
version. From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org] re As an example of
alternatives, the service description may identify which versions of
a vocabulary will be recognized, and the specifics of the contract are satisfied when
the consumer uses one of the alternatives[U1] . Another alternative could have a consumer identifies one of
the policys it is they required to satisfy, e.g., a standard privacy policy on
handling personal information, and a provider that is prepared to accept a
policy request would indicate acceptance as part of the service contract by
continuing with the interaction. [U2] In each of these cases, the actions of the participants are
consistent with an implicit service contract without the existence of a formal
agreement between the participants. we need to accommodate
interactions between different participants who may come with independent
policies and part of establishing execution context is resolving policy
differences. I know my sponsors acting as consumers will not have
policies dictated. OTOH, they will bog to a standstill if every
resolution requires point-to-point negotiation. This comes up in discussion
but no one has seriously looked at making it work. The RAF doesn’t have
the basis to dictate its solution, but finding acceptable middle ground is
always a challenge to an ecosystem. Ken --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Kenneth Laskey MITRE Corporation, M/S
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fax: 703-983-1379 McLean VA 22102-7508 From: Lublinsky, Boris
[mailto:boris.lublinsky@navteq.com] Changing of policy actually changes
contract, so I do not think that you can change/manage policy without managing
service contract. This is still not good: Vocabulary version typically specified
by a service version. In practice a given service version corresponds to a
given vocabulary version. Consumer can’t specify policies, they
are specified by provider. Consumer can only agree on policies dictated by provider.
Stating otherwise is like coming to the store and setting your own price Manageability of a
service allows controlling the service results, shared and sharable RWE against
the business goals and objectives of the service. [U3] Service results and and RWE are what
service does. How can this be managed? From: mpoulin@usa.com [mailto:mpoulin@usa.com] Folks, I have incorporated all comments
and chnages into attached document. In some places, I have repeated the text
(in different font) just to save and show the comments that I responeded insted
but didn't change the text. I am not sure what tactics we
prefer now - to go through all left comments together in the meeting or for me
to resolve each comment with particular author (in some cases I disagree with
the comment, however). Cheers, - Michael The information contained in this
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