RE: [soa-rm-ra] about "service-oriented business collaborations"

["Mike Poulin" <mpoulin@usa.com>]

Peter,
 how can you be disagree with me when you said the same as I did?

when you talk about business entities, the only way they make money (with or without profit) is by servicing clients. Businesses get together into collaboration for the same purpose - servicing clients, plus, you cannot guarantee that business A does not use results of business B (i.e. collaborate) ever (in all possible cases), which means that A is serviced.  

In general, whether participants of collaboration DO service each other or DO NOT, it does not change the nature of the collaboration in business world - any collaboration  targets service and oriented on service. A "service-oriented business collaboration" is an anecdote. 

In your example "  I collaborate with partners, in different configurations for different projects, and together we provide a service to a client " - the collaboration itself is oriented on the service. " I produce widgets and sell them to customers" - this is a straightforward service.


Now, it is my time to disagree with you in " All services are collaborations" - this is true only for composite/aggregate services but not for all services.

Thanks,
- Michael

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Peter F Brown

Sent: 11/09/11 11:16 PM

To: Mike Poulin, soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org

Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] about "service-oriented business collaborations"

Michael,

 

 

I don’t agree. All services are collaborations but not all forms of collaboration are services. Likewise all services may be business “products” but not all products are services.

 

 

Examples:

 

 

-          I collaborate with partners, in different configurations for different projects, and together we provide a service to a client – we do not provide a service to each other.

 

 

-          I produce widgets and sell them to customers. I’m not providing a service, I’m providing a product.

 

 

 

 

 

Peter F Brown

 

 

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From: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Mike Poulin
Sent: Wednesday, 09 November, 2011 12:52
To: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [soa-rm-ra] about "service-oriented business collaborations"

 

 

 

 

 

Folks,

I am in the conversation with James Bloomberg and has found that the _expression_ "service-oriented business collaborations" is not his and it is not even Lomow's one; it is our creature, and it is agly.

Here is nothing personal but if a business collaboration is not oriented on service, it does not exist (by the definition of collaboration). Alternatevly, please, give me only one example of  business collaboration that would not be oriented on servicing either partners or end-clients. Servicing is the only way how any business makes its revenue.

Thanks,
- Michael

 

 

 

 

 

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Submitter: Rex Brooks
Group: SOA-RM Reference Architecture SC
Folder: Meeting Notes
Date submitted: 2011-11-09 10:01:43