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Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] additional information on comments to JTC1

Thanks Ken,

I'll be there.


On 3/19/2013 4:29 AM, Ken Laskey wrote:
To members of the SOA-RM Technical Committee,

This is a update to the issues described in my email of 15 March 2013 and my subsequent calling for a meeting of the SOA-RM Technical Committee.  As noted in 
https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/soa-rm/email/archives/201303/msg00001.htmlDave Ings of IBM contacted Laurent Liscia with a "request that the comments be withdrawn until they have been reviewed, approved and minuted by the appropriate TC(s)."  Later that day, Jamie Clark sent an email to the SC38 Secretariat, characterizing the comments as "premature, and not yet finalized or approved" and asking that they be withdrawn.

The purported problem was stated as a process issue, although after consulting with Chet Ensign, it is not clear there is any required policy or process that was not followed.  Nonetheless, it seems prudent to seek an endorsement from this committee in line with what was requested by Dave Ings to satisfy any perceived breaches in openness or the development of consensus.

Today, Peter Brown and I spoke with Martin Chapman, JTC 1/SC38 Liaison to OASIS, and Heather Kreger, who serves as The Open Group chair for their RA work and editor for SC38 Working Group 2.  (Note, Peter and I are OASIS Liaisons to SC38.)  After the call, I reported the following to Chet and Jamie:


Peter and I had a very productive discussion with Heather and Martin.  As will happen, the disconnects can be laid to a number of misunderstandings and misinterpretations.  In hindsight, a few well-timed phone calls could have defused the situation.

We discussed the scheduled SOA-RM TC meeting on Wednesday and agreed that a minuted endorsement of the comment submission will be sufficient to establish the provenance of the comments.  I expect we will use something along the lines of your proposed wording.

Do members of the SOA-RM Technical Committee approve the submitting of collected comments on the following three documents:
1. ISO/IEC WD 18384, Distributed Application Platforms and Services (DAPS) - Reference Architecture for Service Oriented Architecture (SOA RA) Part 1 
2. ISO/IEC WD 18384, Distributed Application Platforms and Services (DAPS) – Reference Architecture for SOA Solutions 
3. ISO/IEC WD 1 18384 Part 3, Distributed Application Platforms and Services (DAPS) – SOA Ontology 
contained in https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/soa-rm/email/archives/201303/msg00001.html to ISO/IEC JTC1 SC38 as the feedback of this TC?

If this endorsement is approved, we ask that you and Jamie do whatever is necessary to immediately resubmit the comments.  

Heather said she had finished initial adjudication of the comments and was prepared to accept on the order of 100.  Many of the remainder require additional discussion.  It is often difficult to adequately capture a complicated technical issue in the space of a spreadsheet cell, and the comment submission serves to begin a discussion rather than just present a closed end suggestion for rewording text.  During our call today, we began that discussion.

Please let me know if anything else is required?

Ken Laskey
Chair, SOA-RM Technical Committee

As noted in the previously distributed agenda, the purpose of the Wednesday meeting is to discuss and, as appropriate, consider and respond affirmatively to the question detailed above.  Your attendance at the meeting and your opinions will be greatly appreciated.


Dr. Kenneth Laskey
MITRE Corporation, M/S H305             phone: 703-983-7934
7515 Colshire Drive                             fax: 703-983-1379
McLean VA 22102-7508

Rex Brooks
1361-A Addison
Berkeley, CA 94702
Phone: 510-898-0670

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