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Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Types of Services (RE: [soa-rm] Definition of "Service Consumer")


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org] 
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:59 PM
> To: Duane Nickull
> Cc: Christopher Bashioum; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Types of Services (RE: [soa-rm] 
> Definition of "Service Consumer")
> 
> So the question is whether a subscription service is 
> fundamentally different from other services.  

I would say no.

Kind Regards,
Joseph Chiusano
Booz Allen Hamilton
Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com

> Need to chew on that.

> Ken
> 
> At 02:33 PM 4/11/2005, Duane Nickull wrote:
> >I could implement a subscription service that pushed news 
> headers to my 
> >desktop.  I request the service once and I consume it every time my 
> >system is turned on.
> >
> >Logically, this may be a pattern of 'request-consume' yet 
> there is no 
> >direct correlation between a specific request message and 
> any response 
> >message exists.  1 to *.
> >
> >Duane
> >
> >Ken Laskey wrote:
> >
> >>Duane,
> >>
> >>Do you have an example in mind?
> >>
> >>Ken
> >>
> >>At 12:14 PM 4/11/2005, Duane Nickull wrote:
> >>
> >>>It is possible to request a service once and consume it multiple 
> >>>times thereafter.
> >>>
> >>>Duane Nickull.
> >>>
> >>>Christopher Bashioum wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Ken and Joe,
> >>>>
> >>>>do all services have a 2-way communication mechanism, or is it 
> >>>>possible to have a service that just consumes messages (or just 
> >>>>sends messages)?  The reason I am asking, is that it 
> looks like all 
> >>>>the interactions mentioned so far involve a request and a 
> response, 
> >>>>but I am wondering about the idea of events or broadcasts.
> >>>>
> >>>>----------------------------------------------------------
> --------------
> >>>>     From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org]
> >>>>     Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:34 AM
> >>>>     To: Chiusano Joseph
> >>>>     Cc: Christopher Bashioum; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
> >>>>     Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Types of Services (RE: 
> [soa-rm] Definition
> >>>>     of "Service Consumer")
> >>>>
> >>>>     Let me suggest the following:
> >>>>
> >>>>     A data resource is a source of content. It accepts a 
> request and
> >>>>     returns a value or set of values in response. The 
> return can be an
> >>>>     entity (such as a particular schema), an attribute 
> of an entity
> >>>>     (such as when the schema was last modified), or any 
> numerical or
> >>>>     textual value or set of values. The content can be 
> static objects
> >>>>     stored in some repository or dynamically generated 
> through the use
> >>>>     of a processing resource. Data about a missile that 
> is stored in a
> >>>>     database is content. The weather forecast for 
> tomorrow is content
> >>>>     generated from a weather simulation. In a 
> net-centric environment,
> >>>>     the requester does not know the format from which 
> the response is
> >>>>     retrieved or how it is generated.
> >>>>
> >>>>     A processing resource is one that accepts a task and return a
> >>>>     status indicating the extent to which the task was 
> completed and
> >>>>     information on how the state of entities changed as 
> a result of
> >>>>     the processing. One or more processing resources may 
> be invoked as
> >>>>     part of a process of submitting a query and being returned a
> >>>>     response. From the standpoint of a user (either 
> human or machine),
> >>>>     it is unimportant what combination of data and processing
> >>>>     resources are invoked as long as the request is satisfied.
> >>>>
> >>>>     Services interact with (i.e. use, invoke, access, ...) these
> >>>>     resources.
> >>>>
> >>>>     Ken
> >>>>
> >>>>     On Apr 10, 2005, at 2:00 PM, Chiusano Joseph wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>         I wonder if the roles a service can play - or, 
> perhaps one can
> >>>>         say, the
> >>>>         general types of services that can exist - have 
> any bearing on
> >>>>         our RM at
> >>>>         all, in an indirect way.
> >>>>
> >>>>         Put in simple terms, one may say that there are 
> - in general - 3
> >>>>         overarching "types" of services. These 
> correspond to 3 of the
> >>>>         layers of
> >>>>         the general "integration stack" (data, 
> application, and process):
> >>>>
> >>>>         (1) Data-Oriented Service: Primary role is to accept and
> >>>>         process data,
> >>>>         or provide data based upon a request.
> >>>>
> >>>>         Two general types:
> >>>>
> >>>>         (a) Data Processor*: Accepts as input a set of 
> data, processes
> >>>>         that
> >>>>         data, and (optionally) sends a response. The response may
> >>>>         simply be an
> >>>>         acknowledgement, or another set of data to be 
> processed by the
> >>>>         service
> >>>>         requester**.
> >>>>
> >>>>         Ex: Simple form acceptance service, such as a 
> loan application
> >>>>         form
> >>>>         service acting on behalf of multiple banks 
> (routes to proper
> >>>>         bank and
> >>>>         sends back acknowledgement to form submitter)
> >>>>
> >>>>         (b) Data Provider: Provides streaming data, or a 
> set of data upon
> >>>>         request.
> >>>>
> >>>>         Ex's: RSS news feed (streaming data), stock 
> quote (set of data
> >>>>         upon
> >>>>         request - given stock ticker symbol)
> >>>>
> >>>>         *need better term - using this for illustration 
> purposes only
> >>>>         **using term "requester" for now since we have 
> not established our
> >>>>         perferred term
> >>>>
> >>>>         (2) Application-Oriented Service (aka "Function-Oriented
> >>>>         Service"):
> >>>>         Primary role is to accept a command and carry 
> out processing
> >>>>         based on
> >>>>         that command, in a singular fashion (i.e. does 
> not invoke other
> >>>>         services).
> >>>>
> >>>>         Ex's: Inventory verification service (accepts 
> item #, responds
> >>>>         with
> >>>>         whether or not it is in inventory), shipment 
> cost calculation
> >>>>         service
> >>>>
> >>>>         (3) Process-Oriented Service: Similar to 
> Application-Oriented
> >>>>         Service,
> >>>>         but invokes other services in carrying out its 
> processing (i.e. it
> >>>>         embodies the definition of an overarching process).
> >>>>
> >>>>         Ex: Order processing service (checks customer 
> credit, checks
> >>>>         inventory,
> >>>>         does shipment cost calculation, etc.)
> >>>>
> >>>>         Thoughts?
> >>>>
> >>>>         Joe
> >>>>
> >>>>         Joseph Chiusano
> >>>>         Booz Allen Hamilton
> >>>>         Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>             -----Original Message-----
> >>>>             From: Christopher Bashioum 
> [mailto:cbashioum@mitre.org]
> >>>>             Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 12:49 PM
> >>>>             To: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
> >>>>             Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Definition of "Service 
> Consumer"
> >>>>
> >>>>             When we talk about service consumer vs. 
> provider in this
> >>>>             sense, I think we need to separate the 
> "static" entity from
> >>>>             the dynamic role that said entity plays. A 
> given entity can
> >>>>             be both service provider (in which case it 
> publishes it's
> >>>>             service description) and service consumer 
> (in which case it
> >>>>             binds to another service provider in order 
> to accomplish its
> >>>>             own service).
> >>>>
> >>>>             So...to re-word your statement a little: An 
> entity that binds
> >>>>             with a service is playing the role of 
> service consumer.
> >>>>
> >>>>             -----Original Message-----
> >>>>             From: Vikas Deolaliker 
> [mailto:vikas@sonoasystems.com]
> >>>>             Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 12:21 PM
> >>>>             To: 'Frank McCabe'; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
> >>>>             Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Definition of "Service 
> Consumer"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>             Using the publish/find/bind framework of SOA...
> >>>>
> >>>>             The entity that publishes is certainly not 
> the consumer. The
> >>>>             entity that
> >>>>             finds may or may not be the consumer but the 
> entity that
> >>>>             binds is certainly
> >>>>             the consumer.
> >>>>
> >>>>             So an entity that "binds" with a service 
> would be the closest
> >>>>             to a service
> >>>>             consumer.
> >>>>
> >>>>             Vikas
> >>>>
> >>>>             -----Original Message-----
> >>>>             From: Frank McCabe 
> [mailto:frank.mccabe@us.fujitsu.com]
> >>>>             Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:00 AM
> >>>>             To: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
> >>>>             Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Definition of "Service 
> Consumer"
> >>>>
> >>>>             There is a distinction between the software *entity*
> >>>>             (agent/component/J2EE bean/.../) that 
> interacts with a
> >>>>             service in order
> >>>>             to achieve some goal, and the person or 
> persons for whom that
> >>>>             interaction is taking place.
> >>>>
> >>>>             The reason that this distinction is 
> important is similar
> >>>>             to the
> >>>>             distinction between a service interface and 
> the service
> >>>>             itself:
> >>>>             accessing your bank account from an ATM or 
> on-line will
> >>>>             use different
> >>>>             interfaces but ultimately all use the same service.
> >>>>
> >>>>             Here is an example of why its important: the 
> appropriate
> >>>>             business logic
> >>>>             to apply to a service request will depend on 
> many factors:
> >>>>             the means by
> >>>>             which the request was delivered, the request 
> itself and the
> >>>>             person (or
> >>>>             persons) for whom the request was made. This 
> last aspect is
> >>>>             completely
> >>>>             independent of mode of requesting and is purely
> >>>>             business/application
> >>>>             specific.
> >>>>
> >>>>             Incidentally, the above definition: "an agent that
> >>>>             interacts with a
> >>>>             service in order to achieve a goal" seems to 
> be a reasonable
> >>>>             definition
> >>>>             of a service requester.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>             On Apr 7, 2005, at 7:23 AM, Gregory A. Kohring wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>                 Matthew,
> >>>>
> >>>>                 OK, here a fewer other choices which 
> might be deemed more
> >>>>                 "respectful"...
> >>>>
> >>>>                 Service Consumer:
> >>>>
> >>>>                 1) End-user of a service.
> >>>>
> >>>>                 2) An agent which, acting on behalf of 
> its owner, uses
> >>>>                 a service.
> >>>>
> >>>>                 3) An entity which utilizes a service
> >>>>
> >>>>                 4) An entity which consumes the product 
> or information
> >>>>                 produced by a
> >>>>                 service.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>                 Note all of these definitions depend upon the
> >>>>                 definition of the
> >>>>                 term "service". Have we agreed on this already?
> >>>>                 Perhaps we should
> >>>>                 start there first...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>                 -- Greg
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>                 Matthew MacKenzie wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>                     I think services deserve respect, 
> lets try not to
> >>>>                     exploit them :-)
> >>>>                     Gregory A. Kohring wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>                         Thomas,
> >>>>
> >>>>                         Perhaps one should use a somewhat broader
> >>>>                         definition
> >>>>
> >>>>             which captures
> >>>>
> >>>>                         the human user as well:
> >>>>
> >>>>                         Service Consumer: An entity 
> which exploits a
> >>>>                         service.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>                         -- Greg
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>                         Thomas Erl wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>                             Now that we've decided on the term
> >>>>                             "service consumer" it may be
> >>>>                             useful to formally define 
> it. The term
> >>>>                             "consumer" is used by the
> >>>>                             WS-I Basic Profile wherein 
> it is simply
> >>>>                             defined as
> >>>>
> >>>>             "Software that
> >>>>
> >>>>                             invokes an instance."
> >>>>
> >>>>                             Thomas
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>                 --
> >>>>
> >>>>==========================================================
> ==========
> >>>>==
> >>>>
> >>>>                 G.A. Kohring
> >>>>                 C&C Research Laboratories, NEC Europe Ltd.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>==========================================================
> ==========
> >>>>==
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>----------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> >>>>----------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>     Ken Laskey
> >>>>     MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-883-7934
> >>>>     7515 Colshire Drive fax: 703-883-1379
> >>>>     McLean VA 22102-7508
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>***********
> >>>Senior Standards Strategist - Adobe Systems, Inc. - 
> >>>http://www.adobe.com Vice Chair - UN/CEFACT Bureau Plenary - 
> >>>http://www.unece.org/cefact/ Adobe Enterprise Developer 
> Resources  - 
> >>>http://www.adobe.com/enterprise/developer/main.html
> >>>***********
> >>
> >>--
> >>
> >>------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> >>-----------
> >>
> >>   /   Ken 
> >> Laskey                                                     
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> >>   \   McLean VA 22102-7508                                 
>              /
> >>
> >>------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> >>------------
> >>
> >>
> >
> >--
> >***********
> >Senior Standards Strategist - Adobe Systems, Inc. - 
> >http://www.adobe.com Vice Chair - UN/CEFACT Bureau Plenary - 
> >http://www.unece.org/cefact/ Adobe Enterprise Developer Resources  - 
> >http://www.adobe.com/enterprise/developer/main.html
> >***********
> >
> 
> --
>       
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------
>    /   Ken 
> Laskey                                                        
>         \
>   |    MITRE Corporation, M/S H305    phone:  703-883-7934   |
>   |    7515 Colshire Drive                    fax:      
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>    \   McLean VA 22102-7508                                   
>            /
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