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Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Architectural Scope of Reference Model


Christopher:

This is too implementation specific.  Not all SOA's use the 
publish-find-bind method.  The internet is probably the largest SOA and 
it has no explicit model other than search engines and DNS (including 
DNS-SD).

We must remain abstract.

Duane

Christopher Bashioum wrote:

>I like the term publication - fits in well with the publish-find-bind, and
>captures the essence of what is being done by the service provider.   
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] 
>Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:49 PM
>To: Duane Nickull; Francis McCabe
>Cc: Ken Laskey; Chiusano Joseph; scott@justiceintegration.com;
>soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
>Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Architectural Scope of Reference Model
>
>I have held off commenting on the term advertising simply because I 
>am biased, due to my long involvement with the practice of 
>advertising as an art director and designer. I convinced myself that 
>this different context in some way disqualified  my understanding of 
>the term due to my involvement in the commercial context. However, 
>having thought about it more, I think I should go ahead and say I 
>have two point in relation to this term.
>
>1. The definition of Advertising as a commercial practice as I 
>understood it has always been: Communication of messages with the 
>intent of obtaining favorable consideration for the party seeking 
>such consideration.
>
>2. I think the term Publication is more accurate since that the 
>Service Provider is actually doing: providing public information 
>about the availability of the service.
>
>Ciao,
>Rex
>
>At 2:27 PM -0700 4/11/05, Duane Nickull wrote:
>  
>
>>Francis:
>>
>>Discovery is described in the WSA from W3C in section 2.3.3.1 very well.
>>
>>"There are various means by which discovery can be performed. 
>>Various things - human end users or agents - may initiate discovery. 
>>Requester entities may find service descriptions during development 
>>for static binding, or during execution for dynamic binding. For 
>>statically bound requester agents, using discovery is optional, as 
>>the service description might be obtained in other ways, such as 
>>being sent directly from the provider entity to the requester 
>>entity, developed collaboratively, or provided by a third party, 
>>such as a standards body."
>>
>>For something to be discovered, it must first be in a format that 
>>allows discovery to happen. That is the act of advertising it. 
>>Discovery happens ONLY after something is available to be discovered.
>>
>>Duane
>>
>>Francis McCabe wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Is discovery of the essence or advertising? If I discover how to 
>>>use your service by some kind of reverse engineering -- you did not 
>>>advertise it but I discovered it -- and can therefore use it!
>>>Frank
>>>      
>>>
>>--
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>>Senior Standards Strategist - Adobe Systems, Inc. - http://www.adobe.com
>>Vice Chair - UN/CEFACT Bureau Plenary - http://www.unece.org/cefact/
>>Adobe Enterprise Developer Resources  - 
>>http://www.adobe.com/enterprise/developer/main.html
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>>
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Vice Chair - UN/CEFACT Bureau Plenary - http://www.unece.org/cefact/
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