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Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Sub Comittee and/or User guide


I arrive tomorrow eve.  Probably best to look for me in the bar near 
Matt drinking some good single cask scotch ;-)

Duane

Ajay Madhok wrote:

>In agreement Matt with your two criteria but we need to have a time-boxed
>discussion/presentation around each topic to allow the proposal to be better
>understood before the vote? We can agree on a content structure for such
>presentations and schedule them over the TC calls/meetings -- perhaps the
>presentation that will be discussed in the coming meeting is made available
>as a pre-read to keep the discussion focused and short?
>
>Will be happy to help any which way I can.
>
>Will you be there in New Orleans? What about you Duane?
>
>Cheers,
>
>=Ajay.Madhok
> 
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matthew MacKenzie [mailto:mattm@adobe.com] 
>Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:28 PM
>To: ajay.madhok@amsoft.net
>Cc: 'SOA-RM'; 'Duane Nickull'
>Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Sub Comittee and/or User guide
>
>Ajay.
>
>We're getting ahead of ourselves a little bit...the enthusiasm that is 
>being shown here is extremely exciting, but a suggestion I have here to 
>help harness all of these great ideas is to start storing sub committee 
>proposals in Kavi, which can be voted upon when the RM is complete.  I 
>think we will need to put a process together for accepting these 
>proposals, specifically commissioning criteria (1. Number of 
>participating members, 2. Time availability of chair & editor(s)).
>
>I will work on a proposal template in good time.  I think it is 
>important for the TC as a whole to formally vet all output and ongoing 
>work in order to keep our direction in line with the TC's collective 
>vision.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Matt
>On 18-Apr-05, at 10:34 PM, Ajay Madhok wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Thanks Duane,
>>
>>In agreement with your Solution as the way forward.
>>
>>If we (TC) decide to go down the path of specialist sub-committees, I 
>>would
>>propose the following sub-committee as well:
>>
>>Identity Co-ordination in SOA
>>
>>This is a critical pre-requisite for SOA but taken for granted but it 
>>does
>>not happen automatically. Whenever appropriate, I can present my views 
>>on
>>why I believe the subject is worthy of a separate sub-committee. 
>>Perhaps we
>>can have a brief discussion at the F2F next week?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>=Ajay.Madhok
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@adobe.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:53 AM
>>To: SOA-RM
>>Subject: [soa-rm] Sub Comittee and/or User guide
>>
>>All:
>>
>>I have read through the last batch of email.  There are a couple of
>>things I would like to propose for comments. Please read this entire
>>email before replying.
>>
>>1. I will concede that many members of the public will likely have the
>>same kinds of trouble interpreting a reference model vs. a reference
>>architecture vs a specific architecture as seems to be pervasive on 
>>this
>>list.  If we have the problem in our context, it is likely to be 
>>present
>>outside of this list.
>>
>>2. We cannot redefine what a "reference model" is or what it includes.
>>If we tried to change the industry definition of reference model to one
>>that has concrete items in it or things that are not part of SOA (which
>>is tricky since it is still undefined), it will not be a true reference
>>model and hence not accepted by industry.
>>
>>3. Service provider and service consumer are not part of a reference
>>model.  They are roles visible only in a runtime or infrastructure 
>>views
>>of a specific architecture.  To prove this point, please look once 
>>again
>>at the OSI reference model.  It is a communications stack RM yet does
>>not contain notions of a message sender and message receiver.
>>
>>4. We cannot mix abstract concepts and "things people can chew on"
>>(implying concrete items) in our work.  Such does run adverse to
>>accepted architectural conventions.
>>
>>SOLUTION:
>>
>>One way forward is to probably create a sub committee to work on a
>>reference architecture for SOA.  A Reference Architecture could be
>>developed in parallel to the reference model and is fair game to
>>illustrate things like security, consumers, providers, agents etc.  It
>>is within our charter to do such.
>>
>>After reading through some older emails, I would assert that such a
>>thing is probably essential along with some  sort of white paper or 
>>user
>>guide that explains the relationships between the RM, the RA and other
>>architecture.
>>
>>Reference Model
>>(is a guide for developing a)
>>[ Reference Architecture || * Architecture ]
>>
>>There are several people on this list who also have stated specific
>>needs for what they see in SOA.  Perhaps this may be a good Sub
>>Committee (SC) consideration also.
>>
>>Government Service Oriented Reference Architecture???
>>etc.
>>
>>I can already see there are many of you who could lead such an effort 
>>as
>>a sub committee.
>>
>>Comments?
>>
>>Duane
>>
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>>Senior Standards Strategist - Adobe Systems, Inc. - 
>>http://www.adobe.com
>>Vice Chair - UN/CEFACT Bureau Plenary - http://www.unece.org/cefact/
>>Adobe Enterprise Developer Resources  -
>>http://www.adobe.com/enterprise/developer/main.html
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Senior Standards Strategist - Adobe Systems, Inc. - http://www.adobe.com
Vice Chair - UN/CEFACT Bureau Plenary - http://www.unece.org/cefact/
Adobe Enterprise Developer Resources  - http://www.adobe.com/enterprise/developer/main.html
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