Re: [soa-rm] Re: Autonomous Services?

[Matthew MacKenzie <mattm@adobe.com>]

*snicker*

I'm glad I am making an impact :-)

Smith, Martin wrote:

>Sameer - - 
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>Let me practice being Matt <g>:
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>The term " 'central' metadata" presumes a specific implementation
>strategy and should not be in the RM.  Perhaps "metadata associated with
>the service should be available in the environment."  Now in my example
>SOA for Appendix B, I'll probably show a UDDI services directory, or
>maybe a combo registry/repository that can in fact store all the
>description metadata.
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>Martin
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sharma, Sameer [mailto:sameer.sharma@lmco.com] 
>Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 2:16 PM
>To: Smith, Martin; Duane Nickull; john@crossconnections.ws
>Cc: ebSOA OASIS TC; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
>Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Re: Autonomous Services?
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>My feeling is that some of what you are alluding to might be covered by
>UDDI,
>however as is happening in an instance of SOA deployment that I am
>involved
>in - UDDI by itself is not going to be sufficient to express all the
>metadata
>that is needed for a client to successfully and contextually interpret
>all
>that a Web Service does.
>
>My attempted solution is to capture this additional metadata by
>leveraging
>central metadata services of my enterprise. I guess what I am saying is
>that
>the concept of "central metadata" might be a valid candidate as a
>component of
>the Reference Architecture we are considering.
>
>Since I was unable to participate in the F2F, (due to some last minute
>commitments that I got called into), if this topic was discussed, please
>accept my apologies for bringing it up again.
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>
>L
>  Sameer Sharma
>    Principal Applications Architect
>    Lockheed Martin Corporation
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Smith, Martin [mailto:Martin.Smith@DHS.GOV]
>Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 1:38 PM
>To: Duane Nickull; john@crossconnections.ws
>Cc: ebSOA OASIS TC; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
>Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Re: Autonomous Services?
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>Folks - -
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>On my way home from N'awlins Wed night, I had a thought on this
>discussion.
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>I think we expect services in an SOA to be independent of the kind of
>shared contextual knowledge we usually presume within a local computing
>environment. We expect that the requesting service will be able to
>obtain all the info it needs to use the responding service successfully
>by processing the responding service's description metadata.  I do think
>this is a core characteristic of SOA services.
>
>I'm not suggesting we reinstate the use of the word "autonomous" as a
>handle for this concept since it demonstrably caused confusion at the
>f2f.  If we need a handle, perhaps "self-sufficient" or
>"self-documenting" or "introspective" (naaah - forget that one.)
>
>Martin
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@adobe.com]
>Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:43 PM
>To: john@crossconnections.ws
>Cc: ebSOA OASIS TC; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
>Subject: [soa-rm] Re: Autonomous Services?
>
>We discussed and the submitter withdrew the submission pending
>clarification on exactly what is meant by Autonomous nature WRT
>services.  It may be re-submitted and probably will however we do not
>have consensus on it at present.
>
>Duane
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>john c hardin wrote:
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>>Duane and SOA-RM group -
>>Can someone enlighten the members of the eb-soa group regarding a
>>description of Autonomous Services? Any resulting conversations from
>>the meetings this week, on the subject of Autonomous Services would be
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>>good also.
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>>thanks
>>john
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