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Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Fwd: [TechRepublic] SOA model for enterprise apps
Agreed. I think we need to create a starting point, and that is what we
are doing with the draft effort.
-matt
Ken Laskey wrote:
> We have gotten to writing rather quickly and I'm sure the editors
> will not have adequately digested all the points of view in the
> hundreds (how soon will we hit a thousand?) emails. Getting a first
> pass down will be useful but it will then fall on careful review by
> the non-editors to provide alternative content to catch important
> points that are missed or provide corrections to interpretations that
> do not represent consensus. If some portions need more in-depth
> thought, hopefully this process will bring those issues to light.
>
> Ken
>
> On May 4, 2005, at 10:00 AM, Matthew MacKenzie wrote:
>
>> I would like to capitalize on the momentum we have to complete the
>> RM quickly, so it can be applied sooner than later. Respectfully,
>> I think that it would be foolish for us to "slow down" to
>> accomadate members who cannot devote a serious amount of time to
>> this effort.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt
>> Rex Brooks wrote:
>>
>>> Both.
>>>
>>> This is not to say that I think any part of work is wrong or
>>> flawed, only that I have not had sufficient time to absorb it.
>>>
>>> Rex
>>>
>>> At 8:24 AM -0400 5/4/05, Chiusano Joseph wrote:
>>>
>>>> <Quote>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I think we will do ourselves a favor if we just slow down to a
>>>> more deliberate pace, and let this initial flurry of attention and
>>>> hype subside
>>>
>>>
>>>> </Quote>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Rex,
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Is your reference to the flurry above regarding activities within
>>>> our TC, or externally (the press coverage, etc.)?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Joseph Chiusano
>>>
>>>
>>>> Booz Allen Hamilton
>>>
>>>
>>>> Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com <http://www.boozallen.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:18 AM
>>>> *To:* soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>> *Subject:* [soa-rm] Fwd: [TechRepublic] SOA model for
>>>> enterprise apps
>>>>
>>>> I thought it might be of interest to note that we are now seeing
>>>> a bombardment of articles and white papers touting SOA, and
>>>> providing models and definitions, which strikes me as very
>>>> indicative of the kind of frenzied activity that we see when a
>>>> 'buzz' word or concept makes the rounds. This is exactly what I
>>>> meant when I started working on my recent series of articles on
>>>> EA-SOA, Fad or Foundation?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am not going to post the urls, unless asked since it is a
>>>> four-part series and long enough for a short book by itself and
>>>> not dedicated to SOA per se, and that is not the thrust of this
>>>> message, which is, to be honest counter-intuitive. I would like
>>>> us to simply hold off on pushing forward so vigorously that even
>>>> if we deliver a spec in record time and letter perfect down to
>>>> its manicured toenails, it will be lost in this confusion of
>>>> "experts" including my own contribution to the overall "mess."
>>>> Also, after having been through several larger efforts to build
>>>> standards for more narrowly focused technologies, I begin to
>>>> distrust anything that hasn't taken at least a year to work its
>>>> way through a vigorous process.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> While the editors are to be commended for producing drafts so
>>>> quickly, I haven't had the time to properly absorb what is on the
>>>> agenda for today's meeting, let alone what the long term
>>>> implications and ramifications of these definitions and terms
>>>> actually represent. Perhaps as another indication of why I find
>>>> this whole topic somewhat alarming for the rapidity with which it
>>>> is overtaking both the trade press and the IT providers, I am
>>>> actually getting an online demo of an SOA-specific product today,
>>>> which I won't bother naming since I haven't had a chance to view
>>>> it yet, but the very fact that it pushed its way on to my
>>>> schedule after last week and in time to overlap with today's
>>>> meeting, which I will attend even if I am not actively discussing
>>>> much, supports my point--the hurrier I go the behinder I get.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think we will do ourselves a favor if we just slow down to a
>>>> more deliberate pace, and let this initial flurry of attention
>>>> and hype subside while we pore over this in a bit more thorough
>>>> way. I recognize that this is unlikely to receive a favorable
>>>> reception, but the faster we go, no matter how thorough we think
>>>> we are being, the more I am convinced that our work will be
>>>> flawed seriously for lack of enough time for our collection of
>>>> brains to gain sufficient perspective to view our own enterprise
>>>> here in a more balanced and objective way.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> However, in the end, what do I know? Not very bleeping much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ciao,
>>>>
>>>> Rex
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> X-sbi: accucast
>>>>> Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 00:56:01 -0700 (PDT)
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Rex Brooks
>>> President, CEO
>>> Starbourne Communications Design
>>> GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison
>>> Berkeley, CA 94702
>>> Tel: 510-849-2309
>>
>>
>>
>>
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