RE: [soa-rm] When Is An SOA Really An SOA?

Joseph,

2.1.1 is not yet in play. Please wait until that section's editor
prepares it's first draft. Until I announce the section as ready for
formal review, there is little value in commenting on it. It is a
moving target.

Thanks,
Matt
Duane Nickull wrote:

> Joseph:
>
> I apologize that perhaps my last message was not clear. Until we know
> what the SOA RM is and will look like, the question you ask probably
> cannot be answered with certainty. We have considered and discussed
> the facet of conformancy and have a placeholder in the editors draft.
> Those who were in attendence agreed to put the placeholder in but not
> to further define it at this time. It is likely too premature to
> finalize those statements.
>
> Duane
>
>
>
> Chiusano Joseph wrote:
>
>> Hmmm....let me see if I understand this:
>>
>> So if someone has something that meets the definition of SOA on line
>> 470, they should be able to look at our RM and see if it is
>> conformant with our Figure 1 - which means that we in effect are
>> defining a subset of what they really need for SOA; otherwise we
>> would be defining something that would meet the definition of SOA on
>> line 470.
>>
>> Is that correct? If so, what are we really defining then? A service
>> orientation RM perhaps (i.e. SO-RM not SOA-RM)?
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> Joseph Chiusano
>>
>> Booz Allen Hamilton
>>
>> Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com <http://www.boozallen.com/>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@adobe.com]
>> Sent: Thu 5/5/2005 1:06 PM
>> To: Chiusano Joseph
>> Cc: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
>> Subject: Re: [soa-rm] When Is An SOA Really An SOA?
>>
>> Joseph:
>>
>> This is a key aspect of why we are doing this exercise. We have a
>> section (placeholder) called conformance but at this point it is not
>> clear if we could (or should) make a blanket statement. At the face to
>> face, the thinking was more in tune with what it would mean if someone
>> stated their SOA was conformant with the SOA RM.
>>
>> Duane
>>
>> Chiusano Joseph wrote:
>>
>> > This question has been on my mind for quite some time, and I would
>> > like now to put it in the context of our in-process RM.
>> > > In the past, I have pondered the following more specific question
>> > (please note that this is all scoped to Web Services-based SOA for
>> > ease of explanation):
>> > > If I have 2 Web Services that communicate, do I have an SOA?
>> > > We can say "certainly not!". One can do point-to-point integration
>> > with Web Services just as easily (to a certain degree) as without,
>> > with redundant Web Services rather than shared Web Services (a
>> > violation of one of the foundational tenets of SOA, which is shared
>> > services).
>> > > Now let's say that we have 2 Web Services that each conform to
>> the SOA
>> > Architectural Model in Figure 1 of our most recent draft. There is a
>> > data model, a policy, a contract, etc.
>> > > Add to that our definition of SOA on line 470, in which we
>> (correctly)
>> > state that SOA is a form of Enterprise Architecture, which (at least
>> > in my mind) implies enterprise-level benefits.
>> > > Q: Given the last scenario above (2 Web Services that each
>> conform to
>> > the SOA Architectural Model ) and our definition of SOA: Is this
>> > scenario large-scale enough that it *really* meets our definition?
>> > IOW, how large-scale does an "instance" that conforms to our RM have
>> > to be to yield benefits on an enterprise scale? Do we need to
>> > stipulate something regarding this for our RM?
>> > > Joe
>> > >
>> > Joseph Chiusano
>> >
>> > Booz Allen Hamilton
>> >
>> > Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com <http://www.boozallen.com/>
>> >
>> > >
>>
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