Re: [soa-rm] Negotiation? (was: [soa-rm] Good Recent SOA Piece: "Managing an XML Data Model In Your SOA - Best Practices")

[John Harby <jharby@gmail.com>]

As a guess, I think it might make sense to consider a set of common
generic services that were optional and provided some of these generic
functionalities. For example we could include a translation service as
in that link provided earlier and exclude it from conformance.

On 5/9/05, Smith, Martin <Martin.Smith@dhs.gov> wrote:
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> Actually, I've been thinking that we might want to elevate "negotiation" to
> a first-class RM concept, for the reasons implied by Frank's comment.  This
> all comes back to the fact that we're dealing with organizations and people
> outside our "local" management domain.  We therefore need to take account of
> the possibility that we speak another language
> (semantic/syntactic/grammatical diversity), use different technical
> protocols, and have different policies (security, service levels,
> contractual).  In each case, some process of negotiation and alignment is
> needed before business can start happening . . .
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com] 
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 12:55 PM
> To: Frank McCabe; Sally St. Amand
> Cc: John Harby; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Good Recent SOA Piece: "Managing an XML Data Model In
> Your SOA - Best Practices"
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> Now, who can I beat over the head with this?
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> I think I am missing the context of this question.
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> Joseph Chiusano
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> Booz Allen Hamilton
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> From: Frank McCabe [mailto:frank.mccabe@us.fujitsu.com]
> Sent: Mon 5/9/2005 12:53 PM
> To: Sally St. Amand
> Cc: John Harby; Chiusano Joseph; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Good Recent SOA Piece: "Managing an XML Data Model In
> Your SOA - Best Practices"
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> I like this quote:
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> The move to SOA is forcing us to confront topics like identity and 
> semantics, because the boundaries that previously existed between 
> separate pools of trust and meaning are dissolving. This has far-
> reaching consequences for the way we organize and consume computing.
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> Now, who can I beat over the head with this?
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> Frank
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> On May 8, 2005, at 6:09 PM, Sally St. Amand wrote:
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> > Having just read this blog I need to ask if the "identity" 
> > presentation (made at the F2F) you spoke of on Wed's call related 
> > to this same point? I was not at the F2F. Did the presenter provide 
> > a copy of the slides?
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> > John Harby <jharby@gmail.com> wrote: This is an excellent blog 
> > entry from Phil:
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> > http://www.looselycoupled.com/blog/lc00aa00096.html
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> > On 5/6/05, Chiusano Joseph wrote:
> > > Forwarding a good recent SOA piece[1] for those interested in 
> > reading it.
> > > Covers the notion of an integrated data model as a foundational 
> > concept;
> > > also presents a 6-layer approach to SOA (about mid-article).
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> > > Joe
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> > > [1] http://www.tdan.com/i032ht02.htm
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> > > Joseph Chiusano
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> > > Booz Allen Hamilton
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> > > Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com
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