RE: [soa-rm] Negotiation? (was: [soa-rm] Good Recent SOA Piece: "Managing an XML Data Model In Your SOA - Best Practices")

["Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>]

[Trying to remember to prune individual e-mail addresses for Matt]

I think this is a great idea - but does it "break" our notion of a
reference model? My understanding was that optional aspects were out of
scope of our RM (but can be covered within subcommittees in the TC in
more concrete architectures). If we include a translation service, does
it potentially open the door for other services?

Joe

Joseph Chiusano
Booz Allen Hamilton
Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Harby [mailto:jharby@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 2:06 PM
> To: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Negotiation? (was: [soa-rm] Good Recent 
> SOA Piece: "Managing an XML Data Model In Your SOA - Best Practices")
> 
> As a guess, I think it might make sense to consider a set of 
> common generic services that were optional and provided some 
> of these generic functionalities. For example we could 
> include a translation service as in that link provided 
> earlier and exclude it from conformance.
> 
> On 5/9/05, Smith, Martin <Martin.Smith@dhs.gov> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Context?  We don' need no steenkin' context. <g>
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Actually, I've been thinking that we might want to elevate 
> > "negotiation" to a first-class RM concept, for the reasons 
> implied by 
> > Frank's comment.  This all comes back to the fact that 
> we're dealing 
> > with organizations and people outside our "local" 
> management domain.  
> > We therefore need to take account of the possibility that we speak 
> > another language (semantic/syntactic/grammatical diversity), use 
> > different technical protocols, and have different policies 
> (security, 
> > service levels, contractual).  In each case, some process of 
> > negotiation and alignment is needed before business can 
> start happening . . .
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Martin
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> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com]
> > Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 12:55 PM
> > To: Frank McCabe; Sally St. Amand
> > Cc: John Harby; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Good Recent SOA Piece: "Managing an XML Data 
> > Model In Your SOA - Best Practices"
> > 
> >  
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> > 
> > <Quote>
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> > Now, who can I beat over the head with this?
> > </Quote>
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> > I think I am missing the context of this question.
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> > 
> > Joe
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> >  
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> > Joseph Chiusano
> > 
> > Booz Allen Hamilton
> > 
> > Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com
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> > 
> >  
> > ________________________________
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> > 
> > From: Frank McCabe [mailto:frank.mccabe@us.fujitsu.com]
> > Sent: Mon 5/9/2005 12:53 PM
> > To: Sally St. Amand
> > Cc: John Harby; Chiusano Joseph; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Good Recent SOA Piece: "Managing an XML Data 
> > Model In Your SOA - Best Practices"
> > 
> > 
> > I like this quote:
> > 
> > <quote>
> > The move to SOA is forcing us to confront topics like identity and 
> > semantics, because the boundaries that previously existed between 
> > separate pools of trust and meaning are dissolving. This has far- 
> > reaching consequences for the way we organize and consume computing.
> > </quote>
> > 
> > Now, who can I beat over the head with this?
> > 
> > Frank
> > 
> > On May 8, 2005, at 6:09 PM, Sally St. Amand wrote:
> > 
> > > Having just read this blog I need to ask if the "identity" 
> > > presentation (made at the F2F) you spoke of on Wed's call 
> related to 
> > > this same point? I was not at the F2F. Did the presenter 
> provide a 
> > > copy of the slides?
> > >
> > > John Harby <jharby@gmail.com> wrote: This is an excellent 
> blog entry 
> > > from Phil:
> > >
> > > http://www.looselycoupled.com/blog/lc00aa00096.html
> > >
> > > On 5/6/05, Chiusano Joseph wrote:
> > > > Forwarding a good recent SOA piece[1] for those interested in
> > > reading it.
> > > > Covers the notion of an integrated data model as a foundational
> > > concept;
> > > > also presents a 6-layer approach to SOA (about mid-article).
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > > [1] http://www.tdan.com/i032ht02.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Joseph Chiusano
> > > >
> > > > Booz Allen Hamilton
> > > >
> > > > Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com
> > > >
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