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Subject: Re: [soa-rm] [Please indicate if you believe pulse check would bevaluable] RE: [soa-rm] Service-Orientation, SOA, RM vs. RA,etc.: Suggestion To Bring Us Closer Together
There is now a ballot set up to vote on this. I am not sure why it has not yet sent out a message announcing itself. All members who have attended 3 of the last 5 meetings are eligible to vote. This is relaxed from the requirement to be a voting member. Please go to Kavi under the ballots area and vite according to your preference. Thanks Duane Chiusano Joseph wrote: > Totals from responses so far: > Y: 6 > N: 1 (with additional information provided) > Joe > Joseph Chiusano > Booz Allen Hamilton > Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com <http://www.boozallen.com/> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com] > *Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2005 12:09 PM > *To:* soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org > *Subject:* RE: [soa-rm] [Please indicate if you believe pulse > check would be valuable] RE: [soa-rm] Service-Orientation, SOA, RM > vs. RA, etc.: Suggestion To Bring Us Closer Together > > Sure - everything you need to know is in: > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/soa-rm/200505/msg00514.html > Joe > Joseph Chiusano > Booz Allen Hamilton > Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com <http://www.boozallen.com/> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Behera, Prasanta [mailto:pbehera@visa.com] > *Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2005 11:46 AM > *To:* Chiusano Joseph; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org > *Subject:* RE: [soa-rm] [Please indicate if you believe pulse > check would be valuable] RE: [soa-rm] Service-Orientation, > SOA, RM vs. RA, etc.: Suggestion To Bring Us Closer Together > > I would like the mail to list the issues (“these” is not > clear). We had tons of email today and it is hard to catch up. > It will be nice if you can resend the mail specifying the issues > > Thanks, > > /Prasanta > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com] > *Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2005 6:26 AM > *To:* soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org > *Subject:* [soa-rm] [Please indicate if you believe pulse > check would be valuable] RE: [soa-rm] Service-Orientation, > SOA, RM vs. RA, etc.: Suggestion To Bring Us Closer Together > > Thanks Matt. > > TC members: If you believe that a "pulse check" to see where > we collectively stand on these fundamental issues would be > valuable (i.e. is our current RM depicting SOA or is it > depicting service orientation, what is SOA, etc.) please > indicate this asap. Please note that this is not asking what > is your view, but would a quick pulse check to get the current > overall TC view be valuable to our process moving forward. > > To make it easy: You can "reply all" to this e-mail with a > simply "Yes" (a pulse check would be valuable) or "No" (a > pulse check would not be valuable). Or even Y or N, to save > typing effort. ;) > > Silence will indicate indifference. > > Thanks! > > Joe > > Joseph Chiusano > > Booz Allen Hamilton > > Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com > <http://www.boozallen.com/> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Matthew MacKenzie [mailto:mattm@adobe.com] > *Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2005 9:15 AM > *To:* Chiusano Joseph > *Cc:* soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org > *Subject:* Re: [soa-rm] Service-Orientation, SOA, RM vs. RA, > etc.: Suggestion To Bring Us Closer Together > > Joe, > > This can play out in one of two ways: > > 1) Overwhelming interest by TC members on the email list makes > it obvious that discussion is required immediately. I've not > seen that yet. Could happen today. If I see that, I think I > can put up an informal poll because it would be obvious that > many folks think we need a "pulse check". > > 2) Your agenda request is noted by Duane when he gets this > message, and if (1) doesn't somehow resolve the issue, it can > be resolved at the next meeting. The issue probably shouldn't > be about the poll, the issue in this case should probably be > the subject of the poll. > > -Matt > > On 20-May-05, at 9:05 AM, Chiusano Joseph wrote: > > > > Thanks Matt - whom do I see to get this idea on the next > meeting agenda? Or if it is easier, I would like to please > make the request now that whoever creates the next agenda > includes this idea. > > Clarification: Would the vote ask whether or not this "pulse > check" should be done? Or would the pulse check itself act as > the vote? I am fine either way - just want to follow our > procedures. If we do the pulse check then as a TC member, I > accept, honor, and respect the results whatever they may be. > It's just the right now when I am asked about what this TC is > developing, all I can say is "we are not sure" because we do > not have consensus on what SOA is, what a reference model is, > etc. At least with this mechanism I will be able to say "our > consensus is that SOA is X", and "our consensus is that a > reference model is Y", etc. > > Not worried about heckling - after all, I used to do a comedy > show every Sat. night through the mid-to-late 80s with Jay > Mohr. One of us used to get heckled (although my "Newark, > Newark" song parody used to get good responses - sometimes;) > > Joe (An Italian-American who watches C-SPAN instead of Friends > after work) > > Kind Regards, > > Joseph Chiusano > > Booz Allen Hamilton > > Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com > <http://www.boozallen.com/> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Matthew MacKenzie [mailto:mattm@adobe.com] > *Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2005 7:36 AM > *To:* Chiusano Joseph > *Cc:* Duane Nickull; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org > <mailto:soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org> > *Subject:* Re: [soa-rm] Service-Orientation, SOA, RM vs. RA, > etc.: Suggestion To Bring Us Closer Together > > Joe, > > 1. Get your idea on the next meeting agenda. > > 2. Attend said meeting. > > 3. Bring forward a motion, and ask for a eligible person to > second it. > > 4. It will be put to vote. > > Parliamentary process is wonderful, but you have to expect > lots of heckling and disagreement. > > -Matt (A Canadian who watches C-SPAN instead of Friends after > work) > > On 20-May-05, at 6:51 AM, Chiusano Joseph wrote: > > > > <Quote> > > This is the TC process at work. Can we please give it a chance? > </Quote> > > Please clarify why you believe that a TC member asking that we > poll the TC informally to gain clarification on issues that > are fundamental to the TC's mission is outside of the normal > TC process. > > Joe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@adobe.com] > *Sent:* Thu 5/19/2005 11:27 PM > *Cc:* soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org > <mailto:soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org> > *Subject:* Re: [soa-rm] Service-Orientation, SOA, RM vs. RA, > etc.: Suggestion To Bring Us Closer Together > > The current draft is a work in progress and we are actively > editing it > now. It will change to reflect TC consensus. What else do you > want? > This is the TC process at work. Can we please give it a chance? > > None of us have stated that our current draft is truly SOA, > nor should > we until we have TC consensus. > > Duane > > Chiusano Joseph wrote: > >>I would be very willing to take on documenting it, but there is a >>prerequisite that is missing, which was part of my message in this >>thread - and that is coming to agreement within the TC as > whether our >>current RM is truly SOA - which also has a prerequisite of > coming to >>aggrement within the TC on what we believe SOA is (is more than 1 >>service required to have SOA, are shared services a fundamental >>component, etc.). Our current draft states that SOA is a type > of EA, and >>we have already determined (I believe) that that is not the case. >> >>Kind Regards, >>Joseph Chiusano >>Booz Allen Hamilton >>Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com >> >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@adobe.com] >>>Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 11:08 PM >>>Cc: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org > <mailto:soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org> >>>Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Service-Orientation, SOA, RM vs. RA, >>>etc.: Suggestion To Bring Us Closer Together >>> >>>Joseph: >>> >>>I will concur that the definition between RA and RM could use >>>documenting. Is that a task you may be willing to take on? >>> >>>Duane >>> >>>Chiusano Joseph wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Duane, >>>> >>>>I would like to make a suggestion to help clear up the current >>>>division in our TC on some basic issues, which I believe is > truly >>>>inhibiting our ability to move forward in a unified way - > and will >>>>continue to do so unless we address it at this time. >>>> >>>>The most prominent division that I have perceived over the >>>> >>>> >>>course of >>> >>> >>>>several weeks is: "If we are defining a reference model, > what is it >>>>for? Is it for a single service? (call this >>>> >>>> >>>"service-orientation") or >>> >>> >>>>SOA?" IOW, "Is it SO-RM, or SOA-RM?" >>>> >>>>The second most prominent division that I have perceived > over the >>>>course of several weeks is: "Where is the line drawn between > RM and >>>>RA?". Last week I began a thread[1] on this question, and I >>>> >>>> >>>thank all >>> >>> >>>>who contributed (Matt, Duane, Ken, Rex, Francis, any others >>>> >>>> >>>I missed). >>> >>> >>>>However, I think we really need to drill down into this >>>> >>>> >>>question more >>> >>> >>>>and have a crystal clear answer before we go any farther, >>>> >>>> >>>else run the >>> >>> >>>>risk of creating an RM that cannot easily "bridge to" an RA. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >
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