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Subject: Groups - Bi-weekly Conference call modified

Bi-weekly Conference call has been modified by Duane Nickull

Date:  Wednesday, 15 June 2005
Time:  08:00am - 09:30am PT

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8:00 AM PDT to 9:30 AM PDT, Wednesday June 15, 2005

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Draft Agenda:

1. Welcome, Roll call & determination of quorum - secretary
2. Note taker appointed (those who have volunteered in the past are excused)
3. Approval of minutes from last meeting (or suggested changes if any).
4. Procedure Items:
  - discussion (possible vote) to allow motions to be made electronically between official meetings via the list server.
5. Action items from last meeting:
  - update on Vancouver meeting - Chair.
     We have one proposal for the Opus Hotel in Yaletown.  Opus is a big high end and cool (REM stayed there when they recorded their last CD, so do many movie people and other musicians).  It is in the restaurant and bar district and very near the water.  The prices will be available at the conference call.  We may need to confirm by Friday.
  - London for next face to face (Peter Brown proposed)
6.Technical discussions:
  - Peter to introduce Motion on SC (motion, second, discussion, vote or electronic vote) See Reference 1 below:
  - Figure 2-1 - use the graphic from Matt for next revision.  Do we do this then allow only specific comments to it.  This means that we worry about the final expression later, just use it as placeholder to scope the RM properly.
8. Editing Team Report (Editors - please chose one of you to give a report and lead the discussion)
 - status of comments disposition
 - Issues list report (Don Flinn)
 - (ADD HERE) any specific set of proposed dispositions you feel can be quickly resolved.
9. Other (time permitting).

If I have missed something, please send me a message privately.


Reference One:

My motion is:
Given the debate in the TC regarding the correct scoping of the proposed
Reference Model, I move that the TC agree that the concept of 'service
customer' shall not be considered an a normative concept within scope of the
RM. Further discussion of this concept shall be pursued only on this basis
and may be used indicatively in any illustrative appendix to the RM or in
subsequent work on reference architectures but shall not be included as a
normative part of the reference model.

I fear we are running ahead of ourselves and sometimes running in circles. I
see the importance and relevance of concepts such as consumer, message, etc.
to building actual SOA architectures, but - after following the exchanges on
the list in the last weeks on this and related issues - I now feel that this
concept is distracting or attention and risks taking further bandwidth.

- I think that if the TC can focus its attention on this motion for a couple
of days, we can nail down a key issue that will also help us all clarify the
scope of the RM.
- I would also suggest (this is not a motion!) that at the next TC confcall,
an item for discussion could be whether it would be useful to establish an
RA sub-cttee already/soon that could serve to channel some of these
discussions without shutting them down.


This event is one in a list of recurring events.
Other event dates in this series:

Wednesday, 20 April 2005, 08:00am to 09:30am PT
Wednesday, 04 May 2005, 08:00am to 09:30am PT
Wednesday, 18 May 2005, 08:00am to 09:30am PT
Wednesday, 01 June 2005, 08:00am to 09:30am PT
Wednesday, 29 June 2005, 08:00am to 09:30am PT
Wednesday, 13 July 2005, 08:00am to 09:30am PT

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