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Subject: Panel Discussion on Ontological implications of SOA - Thu 2005.06.30
Ken, TC: Background info and call in details for Thursday's Ontolog Forum meeting on SOA. As per Duane's message, please notify Peter Yim (peter.yim@cim3.com) in advance if you intend to join... -Peter ------------------------------- Date: Thursday, 30 June, 2005 Start Time: 10.30 PST / 13.30 EST / 18.30 BST / 19.30 CET End Time: 12:25 / 15.25 EST / 20.25 BST / 21.25 CET Dial-in Number: 1-702-851-3330 (Las Vegas, Nevada) Access Code: 686564 Subject: [ontolog] Discussion - Ontological Implications of SOA -Thu 2005-06-30 Comments/Agenda: This is the another session in our "Scheduled Discussion" Series. * Topic: Interoperability Concerns in the Growth of Service Sciences -- Ontological Implications of Service Oriented Architecture ** Proposed and Moderated by: Professor William E. McCarthy (Michigan State University) ** Abstract: Traditionally, trading partners -- both within and between firms 013 trafficked in bundled tangible products like consumer goods or partially assembled finished goods. Many early e-commerce standards assumed implicitly product-based exchanges. Increasingly however, the growth in exchange and bundling of Services in the US and in other economies has supplanted tangible goods as the raison d 019etre of international and domestic commerce. Estimates of the percentage of the gross domestic product of the US due to services (as opposed to goods) range as high as 80%. In e-commerce, this growth in service provision has been mirrored by the advent of Service-Oriented Architectures which support integration and creation of composite solutions (bundles of services) from loosely-coupled components assembled both within an enterprise (outputs from legacy applications) and outside of the enterprise (typically XML-based Web services). Whether or not the integrated services originate from incompatible operations inside the firm or from incompatible vendor interfaces from outside the firms, semantic inconsistencies, redundancies, and discrepancies make the vision of integrated services an ontological problem. The purpose of this panel is to explore the ontological implications of service Sciences in general and of Service-Oriented Architectures in particular. We will start our Ontolog session with some general comments from notable practitioners in the SOA and ontology areas. We will then open up the discussion to more general comments and critiques. * Refer to session details on our wiki at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_06_30 ** Background on the topic and some of the questions to be discussed in this session can be found atthe above session wiki page * RSVP (to help us reserve adequate resources for the session.) [This will be a virtual discussion session held over a conference call augmented by other synchronous collaboration tools. Participants are expected to have access to the phone and an Internet browser during the session.] -----Original Message----- From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org] Sent: 27 June 2005 16:18 To: peter@justbrown.net Subject: Fwd: Re: [soa-rm] FW: [ontolog-forum] Panel Discussion on Ontological implications of SOA - Thu 2005.06.30 Don't know if I'll actually have the time but would appreciate the dial-in info. Ken >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 05:44:03 -0700 >From: Duane Nickull <dnickull@adobe.com> >Subject: Re: [soa-rm] FW: [ontolog-forum] Panel Discussion on >Ontological > implications of SOA - Thu 2005.06.30 >Cc: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org >X-Accept-Language: en-us, en >Delivered-to: mailing list soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org >Mailing-List: contact soa-rm-help@lists.oasis-open.org; run by ezmlm >User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) >X-MITRE-External: True >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) >on hermes.oasis-open.org >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=none autolearn=no >version=2.64 >X-Spam-Level: >X-PMX-Version: 4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.3.0, > Antispam-Data: 2005.6.27.12 >X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__C230066_P5 0, >__CT 0, > __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, > __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __STOCK_CRUFT 0, __STOCK_SUBJECT4 >0, > __UNUSABLE_MSGID 0' >List-Post: <mailto:soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org> >List-Subscribe: <mailto:soa-rm-subscribe@lists.oasis-open.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:soa-rm-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org> >List-Help: <mailto:soa-rm-help@lists.oasis-open.org> >X-No-Archive: yes >Original-recipient: rfc822;klaskey@mailsrv2a.mitre.org > >Yes - contact Peter direct. He uses the Free Conference Call centre so >there is no incremental cost. > >D > >Peter F Brown wrote: > >>Duane, Rex: >>I think you guys are better placed to answer this, as I don't know >>them as well.... >> >>Peter >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org] Sent: 24 June 2005 20:48 >>To: peter@justbrown.net; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org >>Subject: Re: [soa-rm] FW: [ontolog-forum] Panel Discussion on >>Ontological implications of SOA - Thu 2005.06.30 >> >>Peter, >> >>Can one-time interlopers call in? In any case, can you let us know if >>anything interesting arises that we have not yet discussed? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Ken >> >>At 03:41 AM 6/24/2005, Peter F Brown wrote: >> >> >>>TC: >>>FYI,I don't know how many other TC members are in this forum except >>>Duane, Rex and myself but next week's call could be of great interest >>>to >>> >>us... >> >> >>>Peter >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: ontolog-forum-bounces@ontolog.cim3.net >>>[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@ontolog.cim3.net] On Behalf Of Peter >>>Yim >>>Sent: 24 June 2005 04:00 >>>To: [ontolog-forum] >>>Subject: [ontolog-forum] Panel Discussion on Ontological implications >>>of SOA >>>- Thu 2005.06.30 >>> >>>*ANNOUNCEMENT* >>> >>>Please note below, an abstract on our next Ontolog Technical >>>Discussion >>>session: >>> >>>Title: *Interoperability Concerns in the Growth of Service >>>Sciences: Ontological Implications of SOA* >>> >>>Moderator: Professor William E. McCarthy - Michigan State Univ. >>> >>>Date: Thursday June 30, 2005 >>>Time: 10:30am~12:30pm PDT / 1:30~3:30pm PDT >>> >>>Format: Panel & Open Discussion over an augmented conference call >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>-- >>>- >>> >>>From: McCarthy, William >>>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 1:25 PM >>>To: '[ontolog-forum] ' >>>Subject: panel on Ontological implications of SOA >>> >>> >>>Hi Peter et al. >>> >>> >>>Here is my proposed summary of next week's panel on interoperability >>>concerns in the growth of service sciences. >>> >>>Topic: Interoperability Concerns in the Growth of Service >>> Sciences -- Ontological Implications of SOA >>> >>> >>>Traditionally, trading partners -- both within and between firms - >>>trafficked in bundled tangible products like consumer goods or >>>partially assembled finished goods. Many early e-commerce standards >>>assumed implicitly product-based exchanges. >>> >>>Increasingly however, the growth in exchange and bundling of >>>*Services* in the US and in other economies has supplanted tangible >>>goods as the raison d'etre of international and domestic commerce. >>>Estimates of the percentage of the gross domestic product of the US >>>due to services (as opposed to goods) range as high as 80%. This >>>trend has led to increased interest in services and the establishment >>>of new research >>> >>centers like the >> >> >>>proposed "Center for Services Sciences" at U.C. Berkeley. A >>>good of overview of such trends is the brief article by Henry >>>Chesbrough: >>> >>>http://news.ft.com/cms/s/9b743b2a-0e0b-11d9-97d3-00000e2511c8,dwp_uui >>>d= >>>6f0b3 >>>526-07e3-11d9-9673-00000e2511c8.html >>> >>>In e-commerce, this growth in service provision has been mirrored by >>>the advent of Service-Oriented Architectures which support >>>integration and creation of composite solutions (bundles of >>>services) from loosely-coupled components assembled both within an >>>enterprise (outputs from legacy applications) and outside of the >>>enterprise (typically XML-based Web services). >>> >>>Whether or not the integrated services originate from incompatible >>>operations inside the firm or from incompatible vendor interfaces >>>from outside the firms, semantic inconsistencies, redundancies, and >>>discrepancies make the vision of integrated services an ontological >>>problem. The purpose of this panel is to explore the ontological >>>implications of service Sciences in general and of Service-Oriented >>>Architectures in particular. We will start our Ontolog session with >>>some general comments from notable practitioners in the SOA and >>>ontology areas. We will then open up the discussion to more general >>> >>comments and critiques. >> >> >>>------------------------------------------ >>> >>>Please mark your calendars now. I'll have the wiki session page up >>>shortly with more details. =ppy >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/ >>>Subscribe/Unsubscribe/Config: >>>http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/ >>>Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/ Community Wiki: >>>http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/ To Post: >>>mailto:ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net >>> >>> >> >>-- >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>------ >>----- >> / Ken >> Laskey \ >> | MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934 | >> | 7515 Colshire Drive fax: 703-983-1379 | >> \ McLean VA 22102-7508 / >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>------ >>------ >> >> >> >> >> -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- / Ken Laskey \ | MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934 | | 7515 Colshire Drive fax: 703-983-1379 | \ McLean VA 22102-7508 / ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------
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