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Subject: Re: SOA - RM Meeting Time Ballot Question
Opps - the time zone is Pacific. Sorry for neglecting to state that. Duane Tom Merkle wrote: >Duane, >What time zone is the proposed 8:00 - 9:30 AM meeting time? > > >Regards, > >Tom Merkle > >CapWIN: www.capwin.org >Phone: (301) 614-3720 >Cell Phone: (240) 375-1966 >Fax: (301) 614-0581 >e-mail: tmerkle@capwin.org > >CapWIN >6305 Ivy Lane Suite 300 >Capital Office Park >Greenbelt, MD 20770 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@adobe.com] >Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:06 PM >Cc: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org >Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Definition(s) of "service" > >Joseph: > >This is why I found Microsoft's definition so interesting: > >"A software entity whose interactions with other entities are via >messages. Note that that a service need not be connected to a network." > >This implies to me that a service is a service, regardless of whether it >is used. > >I am not agreeing or disagreeing with this, just figured they must have >had a similar conversation at some point. > >Duane > >Chiusano Joseph wrote: > > > >>Since I've already differed with the aforementioned esteemed colleague >>on a list internal to my company, I think I can very respectfully >>differ with another very esteemed colleague here.:) My response: >> >><Quote> >>I would also assert that the shoe shining service exists even before >>its very first use, and that a service is a nuon rather than a verb. >>The act of performing the function provided by the service is the >>"actionalization" of the behavior that the service exhibits. >></Quote> >> >>Joe >> >>Joseph Chiusano >>Booz Allen Hamilton >>O: 703-902-6923 >>C: 202-251-0731 >>Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Metz Rebekah [mailto:metz_rebekah@bah.com] >>>Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:35 PM >>>To: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org >>>Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Definition(s) of "service" >>> >>>Quoting from an esteemed colleague: >>> >>>"In simple terms, the definition of service is "the performance of a >>>function by one for another." So "service" >>>does not equal "function". >>>Shoe shining is a function. I can offer to shine shoes. >>>Until I shine someone's shoes, I have not provided a service. >>> >>>This distinction makes sense when one considers the nature of a >>>contract. An offer is the first element of a contract, with >>>acceptance and consideration being the others....[Consider that] two >>>providers may offer to perform the same function, but their offers are >>> >>> > > > >>>separate and distinct." >>> >>>The more we work through these definitions; the importance of >>>precision becomes more apparent... >>> >>>So, in a roundabout sort of way, I believe that I'm agreeing with Matt >>> >>> > > > >>>about "...carries out". >>> >>>Rebekah >>> >>>Rebekah Metz >>>Associate >>>Booz Allen Hamilton >>>Voice: (703) 377-1471 >>>Fax: (703) 902-3457 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Matthew MacKenzie [mailto:mattm@adobe.com] >>>>Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 8:11 AM >>>>To: Chiusano Joseph >>>>Cc: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org >>>>Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Definition(s) of "service" >>>> >>>>Chiusano Joseph wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Rather than think of a service as a boundary to something, can it >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>also >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>be thought of as an entity that encapsulates (or "carries >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>out") a set >>>of >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>behaviors? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>I'm with "...carries out a set of behaviours." >>>> >>>>-matt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
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