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Subject: Re: [soa-rm] FW: [members] OASIS TC Call for Participation: OASIS SOAAdoption Blueprints Technical Committee


Yes - we can appoint an official liaison once their TC is up and 
running.  Our action is to vote upon this at our next meeting then 
submit the request to them.

Miko - any comments?

Duane

Ken Laskey wrote:

> What we need is for both of these TCs to coordinate closely because I 
> expect we will otherwise come to inconsistent descriptions and more 
> confusion.
>
> Is there a way to codify coordination in the charters?
>
> Ken
>
> At 10:23 AM 8/2/2005, Duane Nickull wrote:
>
>> No worries.  Miko Matsumura is the proposed chair of this TC (he is 
>> one of our members too).  I have talked to him about this TC as early 
>> as New Orleans.
>>
>> We have talked about the content of the TC and it is closer to an RA 
>> that our work, but quite complimentary.  While it is probably too 
>> early to actually use the RM, I am sure that the work of the new TC 
>> will be in alignment with it when done.
>>
>> Duane
>>
>> John Harby wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> On 8/2/05, Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@bah.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> No and yes (respectively). If we think of usage patterns as being 
>>>> leveraged
>>>> at the use case phase of a system lifecycle, the functional and 
>>>> technical
>>>> architectures are dependent upon the usage patterns that are 
>>>> employed, and
>>>> are further down in the chain - i.e. in general, use cases -->
>>>> functional/technical requirements --> functional/technical 
>>>> architecture -->
>>>> design --> etc. So the usage patterns determine, to some degree, the
>>>> architecture.
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Peter F Brown [mailto:peter@justbrown.net]
>>>> Sent: Tue 8/2/2005 7:34 AM
>>>>
>>>> To: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>> Subject: RE: [soa-rm] FW: [members] OASIS TC Call for 
>>>> Participation: OASIS
>>>> SOA Adoption Blueprints Technical Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But isn't there still a danger of divergence from the RM? The value 
>>>> gain is
>>>> only there to be had if there is an RM in place, surely? Can a 
>>>> *useful*
>>>> usage pattern be derived from something that does not use the RM or 
>>>> RA?
>>>> Peter
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com] Sent: 02 
>>>> August 2005 13:16
>>>> To: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>> Subject: RE: [soa-rm] FW: [members] OASIS TC Call for 
>>>> Participation: OASIS
>>>> SOA Adoption Blueprints Technical Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe these blueprints are about usage patterns, independent of
>>>> architecture or an RM. There should be value gained when they are 
>>>> combined
>>>> with architecture and/or our RM, but do not depend on either.
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Gregory A. Kohring [mailto:kohring@ccrl-nece.de]
>>>> Sent: Tue 8/2/2005 4:55 AM
>>>> To: peter@justbrown.net
>>>> Cc: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [soa-rm] FW: [members] OASIS TC Call for 
>>>> Participation: OASIS
>>>> SOA Adoption Blueprints Technical Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know the people involved in this proposal? I would be
>>>> curious to understand their motives.  Do they think the SOA-RM work
>>>> is too abstract?  Why are they proposing a separate TC for work which
>>>> would one could categorize as belonging to a sub-TC of the SOA-RM.
>>>> Does it make sense for them to start their work before the SOA-RM is
>>>> finished?  If they do, they might produce blueprints which are at odds
>>>> with the RM produced by this TC.  How will their work effect the plans
>>>> of this TC to (eventually) create a sum-TC for the purpose of 
>>>> producing
>>>> a reference Architecture?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Greg
>>>>
>>>> Peter F Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Isn't this an SOA RA by another name?...
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: James Bryce Clark
>>>>>
>>>> [mailto:jamie.clark@oasis-open.org]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Sent: 02 August 2005 00:18
>>>>> To: members@lists.oasis-open.org;
>>>>>
>>>> tc-announce@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Subject: [members] OASIS TC Call for Participation: OASIS SOA 
>>>>> Adoption
>>>>> Blueprints Technical Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>      A new OASIS technical committee is being formed. The OASIS
>>>>> Service-Oriented Architecture Adoption Blueprints Technical 
>>>>> Committee has
>>>>> been proposed by the members of OASIS listed below.  The proposal 
>>>>> (below)
>>>>> meets the requirements of the OASIS TC Process [1].  The TC name,
>>>>>
>>>> statement
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> of purpose, scope, list of deliverables, audience, and language 
>>>>> specified
>>>>>
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the proposal will constitute the TC's official charter. 
>>>>> Submissions of
>>>>> technology for consideration by the TC, and the beginning of 
>>>>> technical
>>>>> discussions, may occur no sooner than the TC's first meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>>      This TC will operate under our 2005 IPR Policy.[2]  The 
>>>>> eligibility
>>>>> requirements for becoming a participant in the TC at the first 
>>>>> meeting
>>>>>
>>>> (see
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> details below) are that:
>>>>>      (a) you must be an employee of an OASIS member organization 
>>>>> or an
>>>>> individual member of OASIS;
>>>>>      (b) the OASIS member must sign the OASIS membership agreement 
>>>>> (see
>>>>> [3]);
>>>>>      (c) you must notify the TC chair of your intent to 
>>>>> participate at
>>>>> least 15 days prior to the first meeting, which members may do by 
>>>>> using
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Join this TC" button on the TC's public page at [4]; and
>>>>>      (d) you must attend the first meeting of the TC, at the time and
>>>>>
>>>> date
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> fixed below.
>>>>>      Of course, it also will be possible to join the TC at a later 
>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>>      Standards always are improved by broad participation.  Non-OASIS
>>>>> members who wish to participate may contact us about joining OASIS 
>>>>> [3].
>>>>
>>>> Our
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> rules and structure are designed to promote inclusiveness. We look 
>>>>> forward
>>>>> to assisting parties interested in joining the community of 
>>>>> implementers,
>>>>> technologists, academics and end-users working on OASIS 
>>>>> standardization
>>>>> projects.  All also are welcome to take advantage of the public 
>>>>> resources
>>>>> maintained for each TC: a mail list archive, document repository and
>>>>>
>>>> public
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> comments facility, all of which will be available via the TC's 
>>>>> public home
>>>>> page at [4]. Archives of the TC's mail list and public comment 
>>>>> lists, as
>>>>> with all OASIS TCs, will be visible at [5].
>>>>>
>>>>>      Further information generally related to the topic may be 
>>>>> found on
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Cover Pages at
>>>>>
>>>> http://xml.coverpages.org/soa.html#SOA-Blueprints.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>      Please feel free to forward this announcement to any other
>>>>>
>>>> appropriate
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> lists.  OASIS is an open standards organization; we encourage your
>>>>>
>>>> feedback.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> JBC
>>>>>
>>>>> ~ James Bryce Clark
>>>>> ~ Director, Standards Development, OASIS ~ jamie.clark@oasis-open.org
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://oasis-open.org/committees/process.shtml
>>>>> [2]
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/who/intellectualproperty.php
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> [3] See http://www.oasis-open.org/join/
>>>>> [4]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=soa-blueprints 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> [5] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/
>>>>>
>>>>> OASIS SOA ADOPTION BLUEPRINTS TC
>>>>>
>>>>> a. Name
>>>>>
>>>>>     OASIS Service Oriented Architecture Adoption Blueprints Technical
>>>>> Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> b. Statement of purpose
>>>>>
>>>>>     Problem to be solved:  In planning and building Service Oriented
>>>>> Architectures (SOA), concrete examples often are useful.  SOA 
>>>>> designers,
>>>>> vendors and users can reference a wealth of abstract guidelines,
>>>>> descriptions of functional layers and sets of specific standards or
>>>>>
>>>> software
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> that fulfill SOA requirements.
>>>>>     However, often there is a shortage of clear, demonstrable 
>>>>> examples of
>>>>> working implementations based on real needs and requirements that 
>>>>> can be
>>>>> used as best practices reference, to kickstart implementation 
>>>>> projects and
>>>>> to compare implementations.  One way to encourage these examples 
>>>>> is to
>>>>> supply an archetypal "blueprint" set of business requirements and
>>>>>
>>>> functions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> that can be fulfilled by SOA methods.
>>>>>     Purpose:  The SOA Adoption Blueprints TC will develop, circulate,
>>>>> maintain and update a set of example business profiles or "adoption
>>>>> blueprints" to illustrate the practical deployment of services 
>>>>> using SOA
>>>>> methods.  Each adoption blueprint will provide a (a) business problem
>>>>> statement, (b) a set of business requirements, and (c) a normative 
>>>>> set of
>>>>> functions to be fulfilled, all on a vendor- and specification-neutral
>>>>>
>>>> basis.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The TC anticipates starting with the original "blueprint" scenario 
>>>>> created
>>>>> by the project's host, The Middleware Company and its expert 
>>>>> group, to be
>>>>> contributed to OASIS.  This scenario, the "Generico" core 
>>>>> application set,
>>>>> will serve as a basic Adoption Blueprint.  It is expected that 
>>>>> additional
>>>>> blueprints will be developed to address other business requirement 
>>>>> sets.
>>>>> Additional Adoption Blueprints may interoperate with the basic 
>>>>> Generico
>>>>> blueprint, or may describe a new separate scenario.
>>>>>
>>>>> c. Scope
>>>>>
>>>>>     The TC will:
>>>>>     -- Circulate, improve, maintain and standardize the existing
>>>>>
>>>> "Generico"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> blueprint to be contributed, in the form of a basic Adoption 
>>>>> Blueprint.
>>>>>     -- Accept contributions of data that may be circulated regarding
>>>>> permutations of specifications and methods that fulfill the 
>>>>> blueprints.
>>>>> This data may include sets of standards, specifications, source 
>>>>> code or
>>>>> other illustrative lists of methods used to implement the 
>>>>> requirements and
>>>>> functions of an Adoption Blueprint.
>>>>>     -- Provide perspectives and events designed to help implementers
>>>>>
>>>> assess
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> interoperability between Adoption Blueprints as well as between 
>>>>> specific
>>>>> implementation examples.
>>>>>     -- Consider the creation of additional supporting material for 
>>>>> the
>>>>> Adoption Blueprints, to make the reference value of each blueprint 
>>>>> more
>>>>> robust.  These may include additional specified functions, additional
>>>>> feedback and business requirement information obtained from relevant
>>>>>
>>>> actors
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> in the subject space of the scenario, and additional methods of
>>>>> representing, modeling or formalizing requirement statements.
>>>>>     -- Consider the creation of additional Adoption Blueprint 
>>>>> scenarios
>>>>> based on end-user requirements, such as an occasionally connected
>>>>>
>>>> blueprint,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> a policy management blueprint or a business-to-business blueprint.
>>>>>     -- Consider the creation of descriptions of sets of open 
>>>>> standards
>>>>>
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> could fulfill various Adoption Blueprints, when their use 
>>>>> demonstrates
>>>>>
>>>> best
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> practices in SOA.
>>>>>
>>>>> d.  Deliverables
>>>>>
>>>>>     1. A final draft of a reviewed and updated version of the basic
>>>>> Adoption Blueprint, to be issued 4 months from formation of this TC.
>>>>>     2. (Optionally) Additional adoption blueprint profiles, and/or
>>>>> extensions of existing blueprints, to fulfill expressed needs to
>>>>> demonstrate new functionalities or evolving user requirements.
>>>>>     3.  (Optionally) Descriptions or profiles of sets of open 
>>>>> standards
>>>>> that could be used in combinations to fulfill the requirements of 
>>>>> Adoption
>>>>> Blueprints.
>>>>>
>>>>> e. IPR Mode
>>>>>
>>>>>     RF on Limited Terms (as specified in the OASIS IPR Policy)
>>>>>
>>>>> f.  Anticipated audience
>>>>>
>>>>>     Anyone involved in the design, documentation or implementation of
>>>>> Service Oriented Architectures (SOAs) or components thereof.
>>>>>
>>>>> g.  Language
>>>>>
>>>>>     English. The TC may elect to form subcommittees that produce
>>>>>
>>>> localized
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> documentation of the TC's work in additional languages.
>>>>>
>>>>> ==
>>>>>
>>>>> The following is non-normative information for the purposes of 
>>>>> starting
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> TC, and will not be part of the TC's charter.
>>>>>
>>>>> a.  Similar and applicable work
>>>>>
>>>>>     There is some relevant work that has been done by the OASIS 
>>>>> ebSOA TC
>>>>> [*1] that we intend to explore.  The OASIS SOA Reference Model TC 
>>>>> [*2]
>>>>> appears to be distinct, in that it seeks to develop reference 
>>>>> models for
>>>>> SOA at an abstract functional level, rather than specific functional
>>>>> examples, although it's possible that those abstracts models may 
>>>>> be of
>>>>>
>>>> some
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> descriptive use to this TC.   A variety of other standards projects
>>>>> including the OASIS FWSI TC [*3] have defined or provided specific
>>>>> functional web service or SOA elements that might populate or guide a
>>>>> specific Adoption Blueprint.  The TC anticipates seeking liaison with
>>>>>
>>>> those
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> TCs, and any others that may have relevant work that can be 
>>>>> deployed to
>>>>> fulfill Adoption Blueprints.
>>>>>      The TC may also seek to establish liaisons with industry 
>>>>> groups in
>>>>> specific user domains that can contribute actual SOA use scenarios 
>>>>> and
>>>>> provide or elaborate business requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>> [*1] http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ebsoa/
>>>>> [*2] http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/soa-rm/
>>>>> [*3] http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/fwsi/
>>>>>
>>>>> b.  Anticipated contributions
>>>>>
>>>>>      SOA_Blueprints_Initiative_Definition_v0.5
>>>>>      SOA_Blueprints_Concepts_v0.5
>>>>>      SOA Adoption
>>>>>
>>>> Blueprints_Requirements_Specification_v0.5
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>      SOA Adoption Blueprints Occasionally Connected Profile draft 
>>>>> v0.1
>>>>>       http://www.soacenter.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.middlewareresearch.com/soa-blueprints/index.jsp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> c.  First meeting
>>>>>
>>>>>      Date: Thursday September 1, 2005
>>>>>      Time: 9:00 am Pacific US
>>>>>      Face to Face or Conference Call: Conference Call
>>>>>      If F2F, location: N/A
>>>>>      Meeting Sponsor:  Infravio
>>>>>
>>>>> d.  On-going meeting schedule
>>>>>
>>>>>     Planned meeting schedule will be monthly conference calls, 
>>>>> with Face
>>>>> to Face meetings quarterly or as otherwise approved by the TC.  
>>>>> Sponsors
>>>>> for meetings will be solicited from the proposing members.
>>>>>
>>>>> e.  Proposers
>>>>>
>>>>> Gopalakrishna Bylahalli,
>>>>>
>>>> gopalakrishna.bylahalli@wipro.com, Wipro
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Technologies
>>>>> Mark Cowan, mark.cowan@adobe.com, Adobe Systems
>>>>> Mark Little, mark.little@arjuna.com, Arjuna Technologies
>>>>> Miko Matsumura, mmatsumura@infravio.com, Infravio
>>>>> Oleg Mikulinsky, oleg.mikulinsky@weblayers.com, WebLayers
>>>>> Mike Morris, mmorris@mw2consulting.com, MW2 Consulting
>>>>> Jyoti Namjoshi, Jyoti.Namjoshi@patni.com, Patni
>>>>> Ash Parikh, ash.parikh@rainingdata.com, Raining Data
>>>>> June Park, june.park@samsung.com, Samsung SDS
>>>>> Gunendra Patil, gunendra.patil@wipro.com, Wipro Technologies
>>>>> Seema Patil, seema.patil@wipro.com, Wipro Technologies
>>>>> Sadagopan Singam, Sadagopan_S@satyam.com, Satyam Data Systems
>>>>>
>>>>> f.   TC Convener
>>>>> Miko Matsumura, mailbox@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> g.  Proposed TC chair
>>>>> Miko Matsumura, mailbox@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> ==
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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