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Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Metadata


*sigh*

 

Was that really necessary, Joe?

 


From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:06 PM
To: SOA-RM
Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Metadata

 

I take that double negative as meaning that he is convinced that it *is* redundant.

 

Joe :p

 

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From: Matt MacKenzie [mailto:mattm@adobe.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:00 PM
To: Ken Laskey
Cc: SOA-RM
Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Metadata

I’m still not convinced that it is not redundant, even with your great description.

 

-matt

 


From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:56 PM
To: Matt MacKenzie
Cc: SOA-RM
Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Metadata

 

OK, Matt, then I'll attempt to define machine processibility as the representation of information in a standard, referenceable format that conveys the necessary semantics to enable a machine to fully utilize the information for the purpose for which the information was created. General use in a context outside its original intent may require additional capabilities which are outside the current scope of the discussion.

 

Ken

 

P.S. Note, I have not taken a position on whether this is within RM scope or not.

 

On Sep 27, 2005, at 1:46 PM, Matt MacKenzie wrote:

 

machine processibility” means nothing.  I vote we remove it on that basis.  People have been equating machine processability with XML as a way of promoting the XML revolution.  The nasty secret is that we were processing reams of information before XML as well.  We can build parsers for nearly any language.

 

Lets just remove it.

 

-matt

 

From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org]

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:41 PM

To: Duane Nickull; Behera, Prasanta; SOA-RM

Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Metadata

 

Duane,

 

This is also somewhat subtle.  Is the (desired or realizable) machine processibility of the metadata a fundamental concept or is it a nice to have option for the implementer?  The former belongs in the RM, the latter does not.

 

Do log it but also continue to discuss.

 

Ken

 

At 01:16 PM 9/27/2005, Duane Nickull wrote:

 

I would assert that since our model is abstract, the adjective “machine process-able” is overstepping the bounds and scope of the spec.  As soon as we say this we are being too concrete.  It is equally feasible that a half automated system will rely on some human to look at *some* aspects of a services metadata such as who the owner is or something to assure them it is secure.

 

Recommend we log it as an issue and propose the machine process-able part be removed.

 

Duane

 

 

From: Behera, Prasanta [ mailto:pbehera@visa.com]

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 9:44 AM

To: SOA-RM

Subject: [soa-rm] Metadata

 

 

Is metadata ="= “machine process-able descriptions”?

 

In the 09 draft (section 2.2.3), it seems that we are making that assertion.

 

I think “machine process-able description/information” is a component of it.

 

 

Opinion/thought?

 

(NOTE: This is not a formal issue against _09 draft).

 

Thanks,

 

/Prasanta

 

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