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Subject: RE: [soa-rm] RE: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge?



I think this is however the real opportunity for this group and others
within OASIS.  There isn't a real clarity (IMO) from any of the vendors
around business oriented or abstract oriented SOA, its focused around what
their products do today.

The reason I was interested in bringing Capgemini into OASIS is that this is
great quality work being developed independently of pushing a product.

In terms of getting the word out, I'm assuming there is a press release
already being prepared, and analysts being briefed, around the release of
the SOA-RM (whenever that happens).  As I've said before I think SOA-RM has
created a superb specification, and I've been using it with clients too. 

There is more than enough weight on these groups to generate a market stir
around a definition of what SOA really is.

Steve


> -----Original Message-----
> From: McGregor.Wesley@tbs-sct.gc.ca [mailto:McGregor.Wesley@tbs-sct.gc.ca]
> Sent: 14 November 2005 16:34
> To: david@drrw.info; fwsi@lists.oasis-open.org; soa-rm@lists.oasis-
> open.org.soa-blueprints@lists.oasis-open.org; ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org;
> semantic-ex@lists.oasis-open.org; jamie.clark@oasis-open.org
> Subject: [soa-rm] RE: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge?
>
> Dave,
>
> To extend your thoughts even further, a lot of large public and private
> sector concerns I talk to never look at the OASIS work at all.  They have
> no idea what goes on here.
>
> The problem is some vendors have the wherewithal to push product and
> define interoperability as using their product everywhere!
>
> Regards,
>
> Wes
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	David Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info]
> Sent:	November 8, 2005 7:45 PM
> To:	fwsi@lists.oasis-open.org; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org. soa-
> blueprints@lists.oasis-open.org; ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org; semantic-
> ex@lists.oasis-open.org; James Bryce Clark
> Subject:	Re: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge?
>
> Jamie,
>
> The BCM TC has been saying this for two years - and hopefully will have
> the
> OASIS publically approved standard to back it up!
>
> And then the XML2004 Interop we did last year showed exactly how to
> achieve
> this using a wide selection of core OASIS-based components.
>
> What bothers me is these pundits ability to completely ignore all the
> great
> work OASIS is doing in the field.
>
> It's like its almost beneath them to actually go and download the white
> papers and specifications we have and actually take time to read them.
>
> Seems like they only want to read glossy sales brochures and attend
> webinar
> product puffs instead...
>
> Thanks, DW
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Bryce Clark" <jamie.clark@oasis-open.org>
> To: <fwsi@lists.oasis-open.org>; <soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org.
> soa-blueprints@lists.oasis-open.org>; <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>;
> <semantic-ex@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:00 PM
> Subject: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge?
>
>
> >      Interesting article from Infoweek on SOA deployment progress:
> >      http://www.internetweek.com/173402859
> >      I think their underlying point is excellent:  the key gating issue
> is
> > not the XML tech, but rather, the process change, deployment and finding
> > issues involved in assembling a meaningful set of ambient services that
> > sufficiently compose into useful transactions.   that
> >        Regards Jamie
> >
> > ~   James Bryce Clark
> > ~   Director, Standards Development, OASIS
> > ~   jamie.clark@oasis-open.org
> >
> >
>
>
>


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