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Subject: RE: [soa-rm] RE: [ontolog-forum] RE: [soa-rm] latest Draft of Concept Map / N-ary Documents specification?


Thanks. Alternatively, it may be too formal for Concept maps and perhaps
it should be declared that none or only some of those questions can even
be inferred.

Much to do, not a lot of time <sigh>


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From: ontolog-forum-bounces@ontolog.cim3.net
[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@ontolog.cim3.net] On Behalf Of Rex Brooks
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:48 PM
To: [ontolog-forum] ; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [soa-rm] RE: [ontolog-forum] RE: [soa-rm] latest Draft of
Concept Map / N-ary Documents specification?

Understood Duane,

I was just expressing my personal opinion and citing my own peculiar 
use of concept maps because I find them very handy for getting ideas 
out of my head and into a form where it is somewhat easier to work 
with them. I actually didn't start using them until prompted by your 
work. So I will be quite content to use them on my own regardless of 
whether they become standardized notations. I will just have to be 
careful not to let my scratchpad work get saved in a formal document. 
I also plan to start using them in a networked whiteboard application 
I'm playing with. BTW, I wasn't familiar with YAMMV, and had to look 
it up. YUP.

The relationships actually make my point, since I can write in 
whatever I want, or whatever I think I'm modeling until it finally 
becomes more clear. However, you are quite correct that 
interpretation becomes darn near impossible without some rules.


At 9:39 AM -0800 12/13/05, Duane Nickull wrote:
>Rex said: "I would actually prefer if concept maps stayed informal or
>relatively informal for usefulness in my brainstorming process before
>moving on to my personal process for noodling out constraints."
>This has been identified as a problem since it leads to different
>interpreting things differently.
>For example
>"A uses B"
>How would *you* answer the following:
>1. Can A exist without B?
>2. Is B aware of A?
>3. Is A aware of B?
>4. Is the reciprocal relationship "B is used by A" true?
>5. Does B need at least one A to exists before it can exist?
>6. Is B a complete concept without A?
>7. Does A always use B?
>8. add transitive, reflexive and all variants....
>I have avoided use of cardinality but others think that cardinality
>exists in concept maps.  Does this relationship mean exactly one A and
>one B must be present for the concept to be complete or does it
>represent multiples.  I have seen concept maps with plurality such as:
>"machines are used by workers"
>Why is workers plural?  Does it imply that there must be more than one
>What about instance, parent relationships?
>While you may answer these very clearly, the exact interpretation is
>ubiquitous and YAMMV.
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