Subject: RE: [soa-rm] RE: [ontolog-forum] RE: [soa-rm] latest DraftofConcept Map / N-ary Documents specification?
I actually think it might be a good idea, if 'twere done were best done in the soa-rm context where we could perhaps define a richer set of relationships between conceptual entities. Regards, Rex At 1:18 PM -0800 12/13/05, Duane Nickull wrote: >Roy: > >I think the gist of this thread is to answer the question "do >Concept Maps require formal definition for interpretation" and if >yes, where should that be done. The vendors should definitely be >involved IMO. > >It seems like there is consensus (or at least a lack of dissention) >for CM to be formalized. This could perhaps happen in the OASIS SOA >RM TC. Does anyone have any other opinions? > >Duane > > >******************************* >Adobe Systems, Inc. - <http://www.adobe.com/>http://www.adobe.com >Vice Chair - UN/CEFACT http://www.uncefact.org/ >Chair - OASIS SOA Reference Model Technical Committee >Personal Blog - ><http://technoracle.blogspot.com/>http://technoracle.blogspot.com/ >******************************* > > >From: firstname.lastname@example.org >[mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Roy >Roebuck >Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 1:15 PM >To: [ontolog-forum] ; firstname.lastname@example.org >Subject: RE: [soa-rm] RE: [ontolog-forum] RE: [soa-rm] latest Draft >ofConcept Map / N-ary Documents specification? > >I've been doing concept mapping for a quite a while, and I've never >seen it portrayed so technically as in this forum. > >While we're engaging in discussion about concept maps, has anyone >invited vendors of concept mapping tools, such as ><http://www.inspiration.com/>http://www.inspiration.com, ><http://cmap.ihmc.us/>http://cmap.IHMC.us, or ><http://www.agilense.com/>http://www.agilense.com (using their >Graphical Designer) to participate? While Inspiration and CMAP are >solely concept mapping tools, Agilense is a knowledge modeling and >management server I use for my enterprise management services and >enterprise architecture efforts. > >Roy > >-----Original Message----- >From: email@example.com >[mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of Rex >Brooks >Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:48 PM >To: [ontolog-forum] ; email@example.com >Subject: RE: [soa-rm] RE: [ontolog-forum] RE: [soa-rm] latest Draft >of Concept Map / N-ary Documents specification? > >Understood Duane, > >I was just expressing my personal opinion and citing my own peculiar >use of concept maps because I find them very handy for getting ideas >out of my head and into a form where it is somewhat easier to work >with them. I actually didn't start using them until prompted by your >work. So I will be quite content to use them on my own regardless of >whether they become standardized notations. I will just have to be >careful not to let my scratchpad work get saved in a formal document. >I also plan to start using them in a networked whiteboard application >I'm playing with. BTW, I wasn't familiar with YAMMV, and had to look >it up. YUP. > >The relationships actually make my point, since I can write in >whatever I want, or whatever I think I'm modeling until it finally >becomes more clear. However, you are quite correct that >interpretation becomes darn near impossible without some rules. > >Regards, >Rex > >At 9:39 AM -0800 12/13/05, Duane Nickull wrote: > >Rex said: "I would actually prefer if concept maps stayed informal or > >relatively informal for usefulness in my brainstorming process before > >moving on to my personal process for noodling out constraints." > > > >This has been identified as a problem since it leads to different people > >interpreting things differently. > ><Rant> > >For example > > > >"A uses B" > > > >How would *you* answer the following: > > > >1. Can A exist without B? > >2. Is B aware of A? > >3. Is A aware of B? > >4. Is the reciprocal relationship "B is used by A" true? > >5. Does B need at least one A to exists before it can exist? > >6. Is B a complete concept without A? > >7. Does A always use B? > >8. add transitive, reflexive and all variants.... > >.... > > > >I have avoided use of cardinality but others think that cardinality > >exists in concept maps. Does this relationship mean exactly one A and > >one B must be present for the concept to be complete or does it > >represent multiples. I have seen concept maps with plurality such as: > > > >"machines are used by workers" > > > >Why is workers plural? Does it imply that there must be more than one > >worker? > > > >What about instance, parent relationships? > ></Rant> > > > >While you may answer these very clearly, the exact interpretation is not > >ubiquitous and YAMMV. > > > >Duane > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/ > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe/Config: > >http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/ > >Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/ > >Community Wiki: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/ > >To Post: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > > >-- >Rex Brooks >President, CEO >Starbourne Communications Design >GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison >Berkeley, CA 94702 >Tel: 510-849-2309 >_________________________________________________________________ >Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/ >Subscribe/Unsubscribe/Config: >http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/ >Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/ >Community Wiki: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/ >To Post: mailto:email@example.com > -- Rex Brooks President, CEO Starbourne Communications Design GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison Berkeley, CA 94702 Tel: 510-849-2309