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Subject: [More Mention of SOA-RM on XML-DEV] FW: [xml-dev] Utilizing the Web's Whole Information Space, i.e., Mechanisms/Patterns of Information Usage and Formation?
I think we have a fan in Len Bullard - see his references below (search on "SOA RM"). His response is within a thread started by the following posting this morning by Roger Costello of MITRE: http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/200601/msg00184.html FWIW, I contributed my own response, citing Web 2.0: http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/200601/msg00187.html Joe Joseph Chiusano Associate Booz Allen Hamilton 700 13th St. NW, Suite 1100 Washington, DC 20005 O: 202-508-6514 C: 202-251-0731 Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com -----Original Message----- From: Bullard, Claude L (Len) [mailto:len.bullard@intergraph.com] Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:41 PM To: 'Peter Hunsberger'; Costello, Roger L. Cc: XML Developers List Subject: RE: [xml-dev] Utilizing the Web's Whole Information Space, i.e., Mechanisms/Patterns of Information Usage and Formation? I was trying very hard to stay out of this but since my name was invoked, leathery winged thing that I am, I am compelled to answer. ... explosion from smoke box, low strings and horns with slow timpani pulse in unison crescendo to brass section fanfare and cymbal crash (really kitchy stuff) <sigh>The Web is information resources identified by URIs.</sigh> ... wild applause at the obvious simple brilliance of that with flowers thrown at feet of The Director and some discussion in the box seats of giving him yet another prize with a $ amount and an opportunity to speak to the general assembly of the UN... You don't really want to open up that discussion again. Mechanisms will mean real things like clients and servers, yes? Unless you assume those definitions, then this is a discussion of as one said, computer science or just patterns of open integrated hypermedia systems. The Web hasn't contributed anything new to that domain in terms of patterns of information use and formation, so 'emergence' isn't exactly right: repackaged, relabeled and patented are. We knew how to build component architectures a long time ago. "THE WEB" == URI. Full stop. Patterns of communication abstracted from their implementations are describable without reference to The Web or mechanisms implemented to use URIs, TCP/IP etc. just as the SOA RM can be described without reference to web services. The SOA RM is SOA's analog to XML's infoset (not buyable, but definitional). The use of the SOA RM acts as an upper ontology (really, terms and definitions) which can then be used in descriptions of Enterprise SOA (the services comprising a business of some type). The Enterprise SOA is then used as the basis for describing services to be procured. The vendor answers with a set of possibly web services or other implementations that meet the requirements of the Enterprise SOA. What you can actually price are forms, reports, fields, interfaces, hardware services and licenses. So if this is a Pattern RM, one could start with: o Publish/Subscribe o Call/Response o Get o Post o Push o Pull You aren't by any chance looking for the MEPs As Yet To Be Named By URIs are you? len From: Peter Hunsberger [mailto:peter.hunsberger@gmail.com] Huh? "physical virtual layer"? You mean the layer that isn't really there? (Maybe we can get Len to set it to music.) ----------------------------------------------------------------- The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org <http://www.xml.org>, an initiative of OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/index.php>
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