Re: [soa-rm] SOA-RM Mention on WebServices.org

[Danny Thornton <danny_thornton2@yahoo.com>]

In the author's definition, if you replace the term
Web services with COM (or CORBA) that's what we
thought we were doing 10 (or 15) years ago.  We have
learned a lot about computing interoperability between
organizations in the last 10 to 15 years.

While stating the right buzz words can provide a
general feel for what a SOA is, it doesn't take long
in the application of a SOA for questions to arise
about the deeper meanings behind the SOA.  As an
enterprise architect, I've found the SOA RM useful for
relating those deeper meanings to the technically and
non-technically oriented interested parties.

Danny

--- Don Flinn <flinn@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> Ken
> 
> SOA is a disruptive technology and as such it is
> important that people,
> especially IT, change their perspective.  I ran a
> development group at
> Hitachi in which we were changing our focus to Web
> Services, not even
> SOA.  My biggest problems came from the best and
> most senior engineers.
> These people had developed expertize in procedural
> programming and had
> applied that knowledge to highly distributed
> systems.  Getting them to
> make the mind shift to SOA was equivalent to getting
> a person to change
> religions.  To my discredit, I was not successful in
> getting the top
> engineer to change.  Sigh!
> 
> Note that the author of the referenced article
> picked as the best
> definition of an SOA one from the WIKI, which was
> technology biased.  
> 
> Unfortunately, I believe that his business audience
> accepted his
> definition because they concluded "This is just
> another one of those
> technological thingees, so lets move on".  In other
> words they didn't
> buy it and another group was lost.  We need more
> evangelizing as
> distasteful as it might be.
> 
> You and Frank are great at explaning an SOA. 
> Consequently, I propose
> that you put a more accurate definition on the WIKI.
> 
> 
> Here's a business manager oriented, not RM although
> derived from the RM
> concepts, definition that I have be thinking about.
> 
> "An SOA is a business approach that enables the
> wide-spread sharing of
> business processes to satisfy business requirements,
> whether the sharing
> parties are in the same business unit, spread across
> the organization in
> different departments or divisions, or even in
> different companies."  
> (Maybe business requirements should read business
> needs)
> 
> **Flinn now ducking incoming flames**
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 18:15 -0400, Ken Laskey wrote:
> > Well you can't please everyone :-|
> > 
> > Obviously, we tried to say a lot (maybe too much)
> and didn't consider
> > the need for an elevator speech.
> > 
> > Ken
> > 
> > At 05:51 PM 7/5/2006, Chiusano Joseph wrote:
> > > Piece is called "Arriving at a definition of
> SOA"
> > >  
> > > See
> > >
>
http://www.webservices.org/weblog/colin_adam/arriving_at_a_definition_of_soa
> 
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