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Subject: RE: [soa-rm] SOA-RM Mention on WebServices.org


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From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 4:02 AM
To: Ken Laskey; Don Flinn
Cc: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [soa-rm] SOA-RM Mention on WebServices.org

 

SOA-RM and Wikipedia: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service-oriented_architecture (search on "OASIS"). Not sure who the author was.

 

Joe

 


From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org]
Sent: Wed 7/5/2006 8:48 PM
To: Don Flinn
Cc: Chiusano Joseph; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [soa-rm] SOA-RM Mention on WebServices.org

Thanks, Don.  I've been thinking we need to write a Wikipedia article on SOA-RM that at least gets out there our basic concepts and definitions, even if not a book describing all the fine points.  Haven't managed to find the time to follow up.  Sigh.

 

Ken

 

On Jul 5, 2006, at 8:29 PM, Don Flinn wrote:



Ken

 

SOA is a disruptive technology and as such it is important that people,

especially IT, change their perspective.  I ran a development group at

Hitachi in which we were changing our focus to Web Services, not even

SOA.  My biggest problems came from the best and most senior engineers.

These people had developed expertize in procedural programming and had

applied that knowledge to highly distributed systems.  Getting them to

make the mind shift to SOA was equivalent to getting a person to change

religions.  To my discredit, I was not successful in getting the top

engineer to change.  Sigh!

 

Note that the author of the referenced article picked as the best

definition of an SOA one from the WIKI, which was technology biased.  

 

Unfortunately, I believe that his business audience accepted his

definition because they concluded "This is just another one of those

technological thingees, so lets move on".  In other words they didn't

buy it and another group was lost.  We need more evangelizing as

distasteful as it might be.

 

You and Frank are great at explaning an SOA.  Consequently, I propose

that you put a more accurate definition on the WIKI. 

 

Here's a business manager oriented, not RM although derived from the RM

concepts, definition that I have be thinking about.

 

"An SOA is a business approach that enables the wide-spread sharing of

business processes to satisfy business requirements, whether the sharing

parties are in the same business unit, spread across the organization in

different departments or divisions, or even in different companies."  

(Maybe business requirements should read business needs)

 

**Flinn now ducking incoming flames**

 

Don

 

 

On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 18:15 -0400, Ken Laskey wrote:

Well you can't please everyone :-|

 

Obviously, we tried to say a lot (maybe too much) and didn't consider

the need for an elevator speech.

 

Ken

 

At 05:51 PM 7/5/2006, Chiusano Joseph wrote:

Piece is called "Arriving at a definition of SOA"

 

See

(search on "OASIS")

 

Joe

 

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