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Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Microsoft SOA Reference Model
There are two areas of overlap that concern me. The one is their definition of SOA 2.0. It should be based on the RM definition, and then build on it as needed. Right now, it seems to be a conflicting definition. The other one is the SOA Ontologies. I see that they are using the RM as one of their documents, but they should use the RM as an RM, and again build from that. They can take the elements and relationships identified and defined in the RM and describe them formally using OWL, and then start building on that. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Merkle [mailto:TMerkle@capwin.org] Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:28 PM To: Rex Brooks; Danny Thornton Cc: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Microsoft SOA Reference Model The Open Group is working on or in the process of standing up many SOA sub-committees. I am the liaison between our group and the Open Group. I believe the two organizations complement each other, although there is some overlap. I do not see any problems with the overlap at this time. Please look at their site: http://www.opengroup.org/projects/soa/ to get an idea of the various SOA areas in their interest. Regards, Tom Merkle Cell Phone: (240) 375-1966 e-mail: tmerkle@capwin.org and thomas.merkle@usdoj.gov -----Original Message----- From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:05 PM To: Danny Thornton; Rex Brooks Cc: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Microsoft SOA Reference Model Sorry Danny, Not only do I NOT have a link to something resembling a Reference Architecture, I was being slightly facetious. That was the intent of my closing statement about the need to retrofit the abstractions. If you look at IBM's SOA materials by specifying "SOA Reference Architecture" in the IBM search box, it consists almost entirely of "success stories." I suspect that if the largest IT vendors were challenged to produce an RA, they would probably develop Reference Implementations. IBM certainly isn't alone in this myopic concentration on selling product at the expense of genuine interoperability across platforms and products. I could have added Sun and many other vendors. The point is that even if one were to cobble or kluge together a system such as I described, getting it to actually work, as in being functionally "interoperable," would be a challenge. Cheers, Rex At 1:58 PM -0700 4/22/07, Danny Thornton wrote: >That would make a SOA reference implementation. I >spent a few minutes trying to get at a reference >architecture behind the products and I didn't find it. > Do you have a link to something resembling a >reference architecture? > >Danny > >--- Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com> wrote: > >> No problem Danny, >> >> Åll anyone needs to is to just wrap webMethods >> SOA Fabric (they are now owned by Software AG) >> around Systinet's SOA Governance (a UDDI >> Regitsry), and around IBM's Enterprise Service >> Bus and serve it up on a Sharepoint Platter, >> y'think? >> >> Of course, you will need to retrofit the >> abstractions. >> >> Cheers, >> Rex >> >> At 10:37 AM -0700 4/22/07, Danny Thornton wrote: >> >From what I saw of John's architecture, it has a >> long >> >way to go. I was also thinking about responding >> and >> >offering an invitation to John to join the RA work. >> > >> >Another option: While OASIS is open and encourages >> a >> >broad spectrum of coorporation, it would be >> >entertaining to see if any individual, company, or >> >organization could produce a better SOA Reference >> >Architecture than the OASIS SOA RA group. >> > >> >Danny >> > >> >--- Duane Nickull <dnickull@adobe.com> wrote: >> > >> >> I would honestly love for John E. to come and >> work >> >> with us on this. He is a >> >> smart guy and would be able to contribute >> >> substantially to the project. >> >> >> >> Duane >> >> >> >> >> >> On 4/22/07 8:35 AM, "Ken Laskey" >> <klaskey@mitre.org> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > I think this should really give impetus to our >> RA >> >> work. People complain it is >> >> > too abstract but I've gotten people to agree >> that >> >> one of the major problems >> >> > has been that no one has agreed on the >> "obvious". >> >> Now we need to give them >> >> > that next step. >> >> > >> >> > On to Pasadena... >> >> > >> >> > Ken >> >> > >> >> > On Apr 22, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Duane Nickull >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> I just posted a comment on the blog. It is >> no >> >> where near abstract as it >> >> >> claims. >> >> >> >> >> >> Duane >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 4/21/07 4:00 PM, "Chiusano, Joseph" >> >> <chiusano_joseph@bah.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Passing along this SOA reference model news: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>http://www.infoq.com/news/2007/04/ms-soa-reference-model >> >> >>> >> >> >> >><http://www.infoq.com/news/2007/04/ms-soa-reference-model> >> >> >>> "Microsoft SOA Reference Model, Initial >> Draft >> >> of the Introductory Chapter" >> >> >>> >> >> >>> The author, John Evdemon, is the co-chair >> of >> >> the BPEL TC. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Joe >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- >> >> > ------------ >> >> > Ken Laskey >> >> > MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 >> >> phone: 703-983-7934 >> >> > 7515 Colshire Drive >> fax: >> >> 703-983-1379 >> >> > McLean VA 22102-7508 > > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >__________________________________________________ >> >Do You Yahoo!? >> >Tired of spam? 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