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Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Fwd: High-Level Graphic Defn of SOA
Boris, I do not really want to start a discussion about what ESB is in here. I do agree with ESB as a pattern. However, my point and reference to QCon-2009 was that the best and only needed functionality of this pattern is in networking capability; other 'features' are not really service-oriented but... Web Service supporter. If you want to discuss it further, please, contact me at my private e-mail. Cheers, - Michael > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lublinsky, Boris" <boris.lublinsky@navteq.com> > To: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Fwd: High-Level Graphic Defn of SOA > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:01:26 -0500 > > > Michael, > By definition, ESB is just an intermediary pattern. Based on the fact > that distributed communications are always done over the network, its by > definition is an ESB. On another hand, ESB in order to be useful has to > support some functionality and as a result requires some > software/hardware appliances. Depending on whether you include these > appliances in the enterprise network structure it will or will not act > as an ESB. But then the question is whether other parts of enterprise > IT, applications servers, for example, are part of enterprise network > structure? Where do you draw the line? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Poulin [mailto:mpoulin@usa.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:14 PM > To: Rex Brooks; Ken Laskey; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Fwd: High-Level Graphic Defn of SOA > > Hi Rex, > > I briefly looked at your slides, and No. 8 particularly. I just curious, > why the slide specifies Secure Web Services? Is Web Service the best > technology in this case? Would it be possible having any other interface > to the Secure Services? As we know, presence of Web Services does not > constitute a Service-oriented solution yet. In QCon-2009, people agreed > (not argued) on that the only one really reasonable ESB is the > enterprise network structure, everything else is the most of the time > not needed extra. > > Cheers, > - Michael > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rex Brooks" <rexb@starbourne.com> > > To: "Ken Laskey" <klaskey@mitre.org>, soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org > > Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Fwd: High-Level Graphic Defn of SOA > > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:58:20 -0700 > > > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > I've been using slide 8 of this outline deck for long enough that > > it seems like forever. Feel free to use it with a citation. It > > really needs its complement, which details reusability of modular > > components, but I didn't include that in this particular slide > > deck. This deck is what I presented to the NCOIC Services Working > > Group this morning. If anyone doesn't know, NCOIC stands for > > Net-Centric Operations Industry Consortium. > > > > This deck is getting started on the ER pattern that will be one > > of three included, but not yet scheduled for the 7th SOA for > > E-Government Conference at MITRE http://federalsoa.wik.is/ I'll > > be doing this remotely, unless a sponsor turns up. This is one > > I'd actually like to attend in person, but beggars can't be > > choosers. I'll probably work on getting a DHS-sponsored OASIS EM > > TC face-to-face to kick off the EDXL Situation Reporting effort > > in this same time frame, but it is such short notice that it > > seems unlikely at best. > > > > However, I will be casting this pattern in the formal NCOIC > > template in considerably more detail. You can see the outline at > http://networkcentricity.wik.is/Emergency_Response_%2f%2f_Emergency_Mana > gement_Pattern I will be using the RA, so I'll pass that section by the > SC if I get it done in time. The Common Alerting Protocol-Integrated > Public Alert and Warning System Profile in its 60-Day Public Review is > scheduled to heat up again next week, and talks with Google about > collaborating on an EDXL-Hospital AVailability Exchange project or set > of projects got started yesterday, and the RA plays into that effort as > > well. > > > > BTW Allen Jones of Boeing, who works on The Open Group SOA > > efforts is a member of the Services WG, and I expect we'll be > > having more conversations moving forward. I mentioned our effort > > to coordinate/align with TOG and OMG. > > > > I am in the midst of reviewing the Design Time Services > > Integration Pattern being worked by Mikael Laby of EADS which > > provides a model of the NCOIC Pattern template. It appears to be > > a case where we were put in contact just in time to avoid > > duplication of effort and leverage our efforts together. > > > > The theme for the SOA-EGov conference is SOA in Cloud Computing, > > so I will be pestering Dave to get permission to use some of his > > diagrams. If it wasn't so much work, this would be sort of > > exciting, but it iss welcom to get so much more mileage out of > > the work I was already doing. > > > > Cheers, > > Rex > > > > > OK folks, here's the challenge. I was just asked for > > > > > > > > >> > > >> an accessible graphic illustrating the meaning of SOA > > >> > > > > > > Now we've always been graphics challenged but I'm interested to > > > see if there are any favorites out there. I can't think of > > > anything from the RM or RA work. > > > > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------ > > > > > > Ken Laskey > > > > > > MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934 > > > > > > 7515 Colshire Drive fax: 703-983-1379 > > > > > > McLean VA 22102-7508 > > > > > > -- Rex Brooks > > President, CEO > > Starbourne Communications Design > > GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison > > Berkeley, CA 94702 > > Tel: 510-898-0670 > > << IntegratedResponseServicesPattern.ppt >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > > generates this mail. 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