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Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Fwd: High-Level Graphic Defn of SOA


Boris,
I do not really want to start a discussion about what ESB is  in here. I do agree with ESB as a pattern. However, my point and reference to QCon-2009 was that the best and only needed functionality of this pattern is in networking capability; other 'features' are not really service-oriented but... Web Service supporter. If you want to discuss it further, please, contact me at my private e-mail.

Cheers,
- Michael



> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lublinsky, Boris" <boris.lublinsky@navteq.com>
> To: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Fwd: High-Level Graphic Defn of SOA
> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:01:26 -0500
> 
> 
> Michael,
> By definition, ESB is just an intermediary pattern. Based on the fact
> that distributed communications are always done over the network, its by
> definition is an ESB. On another hand, ESB in order to be useful has to
> support some functionality and as a result requires some
> software/hardware appliances. Depending on whether you include these
> appliances in the enterprise network structure it will or will not act
> as an ESB. But then the question is whether other parts of enterprise
> IT, applications servers, for example, are part of enterprise network
> structure? Where do you draw the line?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Poulin [mailto:mpoulin@usa.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:14 PM
> To: Rex Brooks; Ken Laskey; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Fwd: High-Level Graphic Defn of SOA
> 
> Hi Rex,
> 
> I briefly looked at your slides, and No. 8 particularly. I just curious,
> why the slide specifies Secure Web Services? Is Web Service the best
> technology in this case? Would it be possible having any other interface
> to the Secure Services? As we know, presence of Web Services does not
> constitute a Service-oriented solution yet. In QCon-2009, people agreed
> (not argued) on that the only one really reasonable ESB is the
> enterprise network structure, everything else is the most of the time
> not needed extra.
> 
> Cheers,
> - Michael
> 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rex Brooks" <rexb@starbourne.com>
> > To: "Ken Laskey" <klaskey@mitre.org>, soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Fwd: High-Level Graphic Defn of SOA
> > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:58:20 -0700
> >
> >
> > Hi Ken,
> >
> > I've been using slide 8 of this outline deck for long enough that 
> > it seems like forever. Feel free to use it with a citation. It 
> > really needs its complement, which details reusability of modular 
> > components, but I didn't include that in this particular slide 
> > deck. This deck is what I presented to the NCOIC Services Working 
> > Group this morning. If anyone doesn't know,  NCOIC stands for 
> > Net-Centric Operations Industry Consortium.
> >
> > This deck is getting started on the ER pattern that will be one 
> > of three included, but not yet scheduled for the 7th SOA for 
> > E-Government Conference at MITRE http://federalsoa.wik.is/ I'll 
> > be doing this remotely, unless a sponsor turns up. This is one 
> > I'd actually like to attend in person, but beggars can't be 
> > choosers. I'll probably work on getting a DHS-sponsored OASIS EM 
> > TC face-to-face to kick off the EDXL Situation Reporting effort 
> > in this same time frame, but it is such short notice that it 
> > seems unlikely at best.
> >
> > However, I will be casting this pattern in the formal NCOIC 
> > template in considerably more detail. You can see the outline at
> http://networkcentricity.wik.is/Emergency_Response_%2f%2f_Emergency_Mana
> gement_Pattern I will be using the RA, so I'll pass that section by the
> SC if I get it done in time. The Common Alerting Protocol-Integrated
> Public Alert and Warning System Profile in its 60-Day Public Review is
> scheduled to heat up again next week, and talks with Google about
> collaborating on an EDXL-Hospital AVailability Exchange project or set
> of projects got started yesterday, and the RA plays into that effort as
> > well.
> >
> > BTW Allen Jones of Boeing, who works on The Open Group SOA 
> > efforts is a member of the Services WG, and I expect we'll be 
> > having more conversations moving forward. I mentioned our effort 
> > to coordinate/align with TOG and OMG.
> >
> > I am in the midst of reviewing the Design Time Services 
> > Integration Pattern being worked by Mikael Laby of EADS which 
> > provides a model of the NCOIC Pattern template. It appears to be 
> > a case where we were put in contact just in time to avoid 
> > duplication of effort and leverage our efforts together.
> >
> > The theme for the SOA-EGov conference is SOA in Cloud Computing, 
> > so I will be pestering Dave to get permission to use some of his 
> > diagrams. If it wasn't so much work, this would be sort of 
> > exciting, but it iss welcom to get so much more mileage out of 
> > the work I was already doing.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rex
> >
> > > OK folks, here's the challenge.  I was just asked for
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> an accessible graphic illustrating the meaning of SOA
> > >>
> > >
> > > Now we've always been graphics challenged but I'm interested to 
> > > see if there are any favorites out there.  I can't think of > 
> > anything from the RM or RA work.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> ------------------
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> > >
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> >
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