Martin,
The liaison is between OASIS and SC38 – the relationship you refer to is the nomination of experts (SOA-RM TC to WG2, for example) – and is indeed why I ask
the question more broadly about which other TC’s ought to be consulted: TOSCA? S-RAMP?
Jamie,
By the same token, it’s not really in the SOA-RM’s unique purview. Heather raises one key question as to whether the name should reflect something more inclusive
that “just” cloud and we certainly want to avoid the circular “cloud is just a sort-of SOA but SOA is always cloud…” type of argument.
I suppose for OASIS the key question is: which group of TCs are likely to be interested in or impacted by such a reorganization of SC38 and is anything in the
proposed changes likely to impact on their ability to cooperate with the SC? Martin is right that ultimately it is the P-members alone who will decide this.
Personally, I agree with Martin that it is not something that I think we can get worked up about – although I think that there may be some “optics” to explain
how SOA is somehow “part of” a future vision of cloud. I know that is not the intention but explains my initial question: is there anything out there that *is* SOA and is *not* cloud? They share a common paradigm – organization and delivery of
a service across ownership boundaries – so that may be enough to make the whole discussion moot.
Regards,
Peter
From: martin.chapman@oracle.com [mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com]
Sent: Friday, 8 August, 2014 07:42
To: Jamie Clark
Cc: Heather Kreger; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org; Peter F Brown; Chet Ensign
Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Future structure of JTC 1/SC38
forgot to reply-all - damn iPads!
The soa TC is only a liaison to wg2, so considering this is an sc38 level issue more than just one TC might have an opinion! Also while OASIS can voice an opinion at Sc38 level it will be a P-member decision. Personally I can't get worked
up enough over a title provided the scope is ok
Sent from my iPad.
Greetings Heather (and all). I was wondering about that myself. David Linthicum's not the only one who thinks that service-orientation applies to cloud systems. Maybe there's some room to huddle on building
support for a naming compromise.
Where would the TC like to go with this?
Cordially, Jamie
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Heather Kreger <kreger@us.ibm.com> wrote:
Just as input into the brain taxing,
IMHO, it would be much better to not be so restrictive with the name of just 'cloud'. There may be some proposals that it retain some of its former scope in the name like 'Cloud and Distributed Applications'...
or many others that have been bantied about.
Sincerely,
Heather Kreger
Distinguished Engineer, CTO International Standards, IBM
kreger@us.ibm.com
919-543-3211 cell:919-496-9572
home office: 919-853-3772
From: Peter F Brown <peter@peterfbrown.com>
To: "soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org"
<soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org>,
Cc: Martin Chapman <martin.chapman@oracle.com>,
"Jamie Clark, OASIS" <jamie.clark@oasis-open.org>
Date: 08/07/2014 07:23 PM
Subject: [soa-rm] Future structure of JTC 1/SC38
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Hi,
I attach for information a document from the SC38 secretariat concerning the future structure of the SC (please, not for redistribution).
Martin Chapman is in copy, both as a fellow OASIS Board member but also because he shares with Ken and me, a role as a liaison between OASIS and SC38.
As you can see, the proposed shift of focus is from “distributed systems” to cloud computing. In this new scenario, SOA becomes something of an architectural underpinning and paradigm for cloud, which makes sense.
So a question to tax our brains a little before the weekend:
If SOA concerns a paradigm of service delivery across ownership boundaries, then presumably anything, everything, beyond one’s own domain, is necessarily “cloud”?
All cloud architectures are arguably SOA (if you take the paradigmatic approach of the OASIS work at least) but can we think of *any* SOA ecosystem that is anything more than cloud? What?
If so, then I think we need to make the case against the shift of scope of the SC as there would be no home, in theory, for any non-cloud SOA work in the future. FWIW, I’m good with the approach proposed and
actually think that our RAF may even fit better in this new arrangement – but I don’t want to jump the gun.
Martin, we haven’t talked about this but happy to hear any other views. Also whether we want to look for opinions from other TCs, more squarely in the existing cloud scope.
Regards,
Peter
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