From: "Ken Laskey" <klaskey@mitre.org>
To: "Mike Poulin" <mpoulin@usa.com>
Cc: rexb@starbourne.com, soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Interesting info - technology disruption is being hit back by business disappointment
Dr. Kenneth Laskey
MITRE Corporation, M/S H330 phone: 703-983-7934
7515 Colshire Drive fax: 703-983-7996
McLean VA 22102-7508
On Jul 12, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Mike Poulin <mpoulin@usa.com> wrote:--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.phpHi Folks,thank you for your attentoin.I heard about business dissutisfaction with Cloud for the last several years, but this waas the first publication at the CIO level that openly talks about it, even if this is a perseption. IMO, the dissutisfaction is in the promised "value for money" delivered by IT so far. Particularly, it ias about a ratio of return on investment. I absolute numbers, only IaaS provides some profit; all other types of Cloud, if implemented with all fail-overs and DR, cost almost the same as IT without them. If add requirements dictated by regulations, the cost of Cloud may be even more than on premises.Example, a company wants to obtaine a hidden information in the customer behaviour and hires Big Data technology in Cloud. A new EU GDPR regulation ( to used on both sides of the pond) allows an owner of personal data to exclude the data from any processisng. This means that if the company contracted Cloud and Big Data processing vendor, now it has to build a tricky sw to find and extract particualr data from the data store, or, if the processing took place regarding the owner's request, the entire result must be invalidatred. Then, apply this constrain in scale and try to estimate a business feasibility of using Big Data in this company at all.I wright all this to promote only one idea (which is not new, actually). Modern level of technology advance has reached the point where technology has to stop and think: what does it produce - more values or more problems to people/business. Particularly, 1) until we learn how to protect our data, especially personal data, we should not allow IoT approach our houses, cars and all other assets; 2) unil we learn how to conduct predictable and safe business and legal deals using microservices, we should not use them (i.e. API) between the businesses and in the person-business relationships.Regards,- MichaelSent: Monday, July 03, 2017 at 10:13 PM
From: rexbroo <rexb@starbourne.com>
To: "Mike Poulin" <mpoulin@usa.com>, "Ken Laskey" <klaskey@mitre.org>
Cc: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Interesting info - technology disruption is being hit back by business disappointmentThanks Michael,
The article is interesting, but it is an oversimplification of the issues. However, that said, it makes some key points. The chief point is that the study they cite showed a perception by Business Units that "Cloud computing and DevOps as implemented do not bring any tangible business benefits." While this is debatable, it is cited as a perception, not a fact. So we have to accept that it is valid as a perception, so at the least, proponents of the benefit of cloud computing and DevOps as characterized by this article should listen and address those concerns.
I don't think that's something we're addressing in our assessment of how the SOA-RM holds up in light of the development of Microservices Architecture (MSA) and what might best be done to update the SOA-RM. Neither are we setting ourselves up to be proponents of MSA, or Lean-Agile DevOps as an implementation approach. However it is interesting to consider if their conclusion is accurate:
"IT leaders must acknowledge once and for all that the highly competitive digital business that's taking place is forcing BUs as to IT, to shift the concerns from technology efficiency to business value. In other words, they ask concrete contributions to business value.
IT Leaders must acknowledge this reality: cutting costs and speeding IT operations is essential, but it's not enough to help BUs make profit."
Actually, I think cutting costs equals increasing profit. It may be that the authors are trying to say that the profits realized by cutting costs and speeding IT operations are insufficient to justify the effort, although that doesn't make much sense to me. Perhaps they are saying that the increased profits are not as great as they thought were being promised?
Also, cloud computing and DevOps != MSA. MSA as the logical extension of SOA (including SOA as abstracted by the SOA-RM) includes cloud computing and DevOps, but is much more, and that's what I think we're concerned with delineating. I do think this article highlights the shortcomings of many proponents of various assemblies of the components that make up MSA as we've explored it over these last many months. There does need to be provable business value to MSA that I think is not being well represented yet. However, I do think there is very provable ROI for shifting to MSA, but analysis needs to be clearly done.
There's a lot to be considered.
Cheers,
RexOn 7/3/2017 10:17 AM, Mike Poulin wrote:--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.phpHi Folks,finally it has happen (what I predicted a few years ago):<<Most BU leaders are fascinated by the promises of the recent IT innovations particularly cloud computing, DevOps, Internet of Things (IoT) and Big Data. Yet, so far, they are disillusioned; they don't see the promised business benefits... The fact of the matter is, solution vendors and consulting firms focus their transformation effort on infrastructure and tools migration, and totally ignore the required organizational and operational transformations>> This ignorence has resulted in GDPR that can make Internet of Things (IoT), Big Data and Blockchain paralised for relatively long time.
RE: http://www.cio.com/article/3187045/cloud-computing/the-clouds-undone-business-revolution-the-embarrassing-report.htmlI will be glad to provide a short explanation if needed.The next turn is on Microservices.Enjoy,- Michael PoulinSent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 6:26 PM
From: "Ken Laskey" <klaskey@mitre.org>
To: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [soa-rm] Re: NIST Definition of Microservices, Application Containers and System Virtual MachinesTalked to the Anil Karmel and found- 180 is the same doc we commented on and our comments will be adjudicated- the Challenges and the Best Practices documents are the ones under internal review and Anil will let me know when they are released.KenOn Jun 28, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Ken Laskey <klaskey@mitre.org> wrote:<PastedGraphic-1.png>Currently internal review. Think this is what we commented on long ago. Going out for public review again.------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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