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Subject: TAG meeting this week, Thursday 17 (US time): draft agenda
Test Assertions Guidelines (TAG) TC kick-off meeting ==================================================== Event Description: ------------------ Date: Thursday (US time), 03 May 2007 Time: 10:00am - 11:30am ET (2pm GMT , 5pm StPetersb, 11pm Beijing, midnight Seoul, 7am California, 10am EastCoast, 2pm UK) Duration: 90mn max Host: Fujitsu US toll free: 866-760-1934 intl: 1-517-233-9562 participant: 2426197 Agenda: ------- only administrative matters: 1- presentations 2- chair election (required), 3- possibly other nominations/elections, 4- discuss how to resolve the headache of meeting scheduling (frequency, time..), 5- discuss overall deliverables and schedule, 6- next f-2-f preferences (time? place?), and conference calls frequency. 7- other details of TC organization and woorking style: . maintaining balance in voting (e.g. when a company is over-represented) . administrative documents: issues list? requirement document? . Use of a Web-based instant messaging (can everyone have access?) . Liaisons with other orgs Attendees: ---------- Marston, David (IBM) (observer) Kulvatunyou, Serm (NIST) Clark, James Bryce (OASIS staff) McRae, Mary (OASIS staff) Cho, Dr. Hyunbo (Pohang University of Science & Technology , Korea) Curran, Patrick (Sun Microsystems) Looney, Mr. Kevin (Sun Microsystems) Rank, Paul (Sun Microsystems) Rudometov, Mr. Victor (Sun Microsystems) Sosnin, Mr. Vladimir (Sun Microsystems) Green, Stephen (SystML) Durand, Jacques (Fujitsu) Excused: Rosenthal, Lynne (NIST) Minute taker: Jacques 1- presentations ---------------- - Round table for participants interest and quick presentation. - All participants alrady had significant experience in various aspects of QA, testing. - Interest ranging from: Java conformance (JCK)[P.Rank], tools for analyzing Java specs [Looney], Language Tests need mark-up for assertions [Rudometov], testing Java API for XML/Schema [Curran, Sosnin], Local/Central Govt standards in procurement, UBL, ebXML BP [Green], modularity of assertions and dependencies, potential for rule-based processing [Marston], facilitating the writing of various test suites [Cho][Kulvatunyou], bridging and continuing previous work initiated by W3C [P.Curran] - Jamie Clarck reminded of things to get familiar with: TC process (link on OASIS home page), process to do contributions to the TC, IPR policy. 2- chair election ----------------- - Jacques D. nominated for chair, Patrick C. nominated for co-chair. - Mary, as OASIS TC admin, chaired the ballots. - Resolved to elect Jacques as chair. No opposition. Approved. - Resolved to elect Patrick as [co-]chair. No opposition. Approved. - both are co-chairs (none is more chair than the other...) - having two chairs allows for continuity of meetings, given possible absences. 3- possibly other nominations/elections --------------------------------------- - We'll need: editor(s), secretary. The secretary is more about maintaining Web page and Web-based cooperation space (wiki), uploading docs, etc. Taking minutes is not exclusively the job of the secretary. We'll consider filling these roles next meeting. - Serm K. volunteered as minute-taker - Jacques suggested to make this a 2 month committment, renewable, to make it easier to commit to. 4- how to resolve the headache of meeting scheduling (frequency, time..) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Other cooperation forums need be used beside conf calls, e.g. wikis. - Chatroom "soaphub/tag" is convenient as complement to conf calls. It is however a private room (no confidentiality, no guarantee). Can be used for helping minute-taking (exist an XSLT for extracting/structure the notes). IRC does not provide the "hand" feature for queuing teh speakers, and also some companies have strict policy about non-Web IRC. - Mary: Kavi provides a framework for wikis. Will set a wiki. Only TC members can post, but reading is open to public. At the time these minutes are written, this is already done: http://wiki.oasis-open.org/tag - Patrick C. prefers to keep the same day-time from one meeting to the other, although he does not like the current one. - We could decide to change the time after a longer period - e.g. after 2 months - to mitigate the hardship on membership. - we could also have subcommittee meetings more time-zone aware, and consolidate decisions in regular meetings. - In any case, so far the full regular TC meetings are not considered on a weekly basis, but on a 2-week basis at least. - current schedule (7am California time) is tough on Korea, China, and some Californians... - Jacques: need to resolve the option of calling-out to people who attend from home and abroad, to avoid billing on their side. Fujitsu bridge only allows for calling out to US. Other way to be investigated. - NEXT MEETING: scheduled same day-time in 2 weeks (Thursday, May 17). Early agenda: o any volunteers for editor(s) job, secretary (possibly renamed more appealingly "wiki master"). o logistics: more discuss and proposals on meeting schedules, wiki organization. o some feel of if/when/where a f2f could be held. o technical work: where to start from. A quick survey of our input material. 5- discuss overall deliverables and schedule, -------------------------------------------- - current schedule is ambitious (a Public Review draft before end 2007), but seems OK to everyone. We still could decide to change the charter about this if we wanted. - Jacques: idea is that by then the work will have reached state where it can be circulated to membership. Can always be updated after that (several PRs cycles are OK), in case feedback from OASIS requires it. But it would be dangerous to keep going for months without having this reality check of a PR. - Patrick: timeline is OK, preferable to get early on a smaller output with built-in flexibility for extensions that can be added later. - Stephen: we should not wait for the PR to consult with other external groups, to make sure we secure adoption early on. 6- next f-2-f preferences (time? place?), and conference calls frequency. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - see agenda item 4 above. - Patrick Curran offering F2F location (Bay area, California). At this time not enough committment to plan for one in the short term. (several people would call-in - from EU, Russia, East Coast) 7- other details of TC organization and woorking style: ------------------------------------------------------- - maintaining balance in voting (e.g. when a company is over-represented): - Patrick Curran made clear that the large participation from Sun was only reflecting technical interest from several parties in Sun, and will not be used to control the vote in the TC... Only two members of Sun will vote on a regular basis. We need to see how that plays in cases where full majority, and special majority is needed (meaning a % of the total membership must be reached) - administrative documents: issues list? requirement document? Issue list is welcome, give some process to progress. . Use of a Web-based instant messaging (can everyone have access?) (see 4 above) . Liaisons with other orgs: W3C QA IG (Patrick), ebXML IIC (Jacques), WS-I (Jacques), other OASIS tech com that could act as beta testers (e.g. UBL: Stephen). - Patrick C: lessons from previous experiences in QA guidelines: try not to be too academic, need make sure there will be acceptance.
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