RE: TAG TC 2010-04-27 Meeting Minutes

["Jacques R. Durand" <JDurand@us.fujitsu.com>]

Thanks Dennis for the notes.

A couple of minor things to add:

1. keeping track of new action items:

AI1-Apr27: [Dennis] to investigate "Compact" RelaxNG for our Markup
syntax.
(in fact, explained in tutorial:
http://www.relaxng.org/compact-tutorial-20030326.html )

AI2-Apr27: [Jacques] to check the JIRA page, possible re-configuration,
add Dennis as authorized user.


2. Kelvin mention that we need a more formal referencing from Markup to
Model,
( hyperlinks not sufficient)
E.g. the terms that are reused: how to know those borrowed from Model
from those
Belonging only to markup.

 
Cheers,
Jacques

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org] 
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 1:49 PM
To: 'TAG TC List'
Cc: Jacques R. Durand
Subject: TAG TC 2010-04-27 Meeting Minutes

Test Assertions Guidelines (TAG) TC Teleconference Meeting

27 April 2009

Draft minutes from combined notes of Jacques and Dennis

Logistics:
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Tuesday 2pm (PDT), 21:00Z, 27 April 2009

Host confcall: Fujitsu
US Toll Free: 877-995-3314
US Toll/International: 210-339-1806
Passcode: 9589308

Attendance and Quorum
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MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE

5/5 Voting Members attending: 3/5 requirement for quorum was satisfied


 * Jacques Durand, Chair (Fujitsu)
 * Dennis Hamilton, Secretary (Individual)
 * Frederick Boland (NIST)
 * Kevin Looney (Oracle)
 * Paul Rank (Oracle)

 [*: Voting member at start and conclusion of the meeting (5)]

MEMBERS ABSENT

   Dale Moberg (Axway Software)
   Kyoung_Rog Yi (National IT Industry Promotion Agency, Korea)
   Patrick Curran (Oracle) Leave of Absence
   Dmitry Kostovarov, (Oracle)
   Victor Rudometov, (Oracle)
   Hyunbo Cho (Pohang University of Science & Technology)

 [*: Voting member at start and conclusion of the meeting (0)]

APPROVAL OF PREVIOUS MINUTES
  The 2010-03-30 minutes were approved without objection
  http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201004/msg00000.html>

APPROVAL OF AGENDA
  The agenda was taken up without discussion
  <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201004/msg00002.html>

  Agenda:
  1- Review of comments (both external and internal) on the PR drafts
(closing May 9th).
   - comments from D.Pawson.
   - comments from D. Hazael-Massieux.
   - conf clause and getting 3 conforming implementations.
  2- administrative matters: 
   - meeting notes approval (Mar 30).
   - JIRA issue tracker.
   - next PR.
   - promoting TAG work: venues, ideas, liaisons to other SDOs
   - tamelizer update.


 1. REVIEW OF COMMENTS RECEIVED SO FAR ON THE PUBLIC REVIEW (ending
2010-05-09)
    Dennis had created JIRA issues that corresponded to the different
public comments (threads) that have arrived so far.  Comments were added
to the issues to reflect the discussion.
    TAG-1: Dave Pawson Thread - Where are Semantics for TAML
<http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TAG-1>
    TAG-2: Dave Pawson Thread - Cross-Referencing between TAML and the
Model for Semantics <http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TAG-2>
Our desire is to have TAML dependent on and conform to the model, and we
need to establish the connection better.  We discussed how much
redundancy there can be, and the notes under TAG-1 apply here too.
    TAG-3: Dave Pawson - Objection to Multiple inter-dependent documents
< http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TAG-3>.
Following exchanges with Dave Pawson to see if we had an approach that
worked, Pawson expressed his requirement for single, standalone and
self-contained documents.  We want to make the documents easy to use but
we are continuing with the idea of having the three separate documents
the Model being the one the others depend on.
    TAG-4: Dominique Hazael-Massieux - Request for TAML Example and
better XML Skeleton Approach <
http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TAG-4>.
We are interested in responding to this.  Dennis will find out what the
more-compact/simplified RelaxNG is.  Full RNG Schema fragments are not
more compact than the XML Schema by much.  We need something more
palatable for easy reading.
    TAG-6: Jacques Durand - Need for Improved Model Conformance Clause.
This is an internal TAG TC issue.  Jacques is concerned that the Model
conformance requirements are too stringent and we are excluding
conformant uses.  The discussion of this revolves around the statements
of support that are required for advancement of Committee Specifications
to OASIS Standard and also what must be demonstrated in order to make a
submission of the OASIS Standard to a different standards body (i.e., a
PAS submission to ISO/IEC JTC1 or other ISO venue).  The concern that
Jacques has is that use of the model in the Guidelines and especially
the use by projects such as the OASIS SCA TC can't qualify as conformant
uses of the model.  (The Guidelines might be a stretch, but an
assertions made using the structures employed in the Guidelines might
well qualify, if the conformance clause is adjusted to admit such
practices.)
    
 2. ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS
    We had approved the previous minutes.
    Dennis pointed out that the Chair is the only one currently
authorized to use the JIRA workflow process.  Other members can
introduce issues and comment on issues, but they cannot move them
through the workflow.  Also, we need to set up "components" and targets
(of issues and fixes) in JIRA.  Only Jacques can do that.  Also, at the
moment issues are automatically assigned to Jacques because he is the
only one currently authorized to process them.
This is JIRA Task TAG-5, <
http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TAG-5>.
    Jacques mentioned that there is a new release of Tamelizer and it
should qualify as a conforming implementation.
    
 3. ACTION ITEMS
    We did not review action items. We seem to be moving toward
reviewing JIRA issues as a way to deal with actions, tasks, and issues.

FUTURE MEETINGS

Dennis thought that May 24 was US Memorial Day.  To avoid collision with
that week with a May 25 meeting and to allow for action to start soon
after the close of public review, the next meeting was scheduled for May
18.

[Update: It was confirmed that US Memorial Day is May 31 this year.  The
Chair has set May 11 and May 25 as the meeting dates in May.]


Respectfully submitted,

 - Dennis Hamilton