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Subject: Minutes kick-off meeting jan 28 - 2008


Let me know if anything needs to be modified / added, before uploading to Web page.
 
Thx,
Jacques
 
 
Event Description:
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TaMIE TC meeting (kick-off conference call)
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/tamie/
Date: Monday 4pm PT(California time), 28 January 2008
Host: Fujitsu
US toll free: 866-760-1934
intl: 1-517-233-9562
participant: 2426197
 
Agenda:
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1. Welcome and introductions (includes roll call)
2. Election of chair / co-chairs.
3. Welcome from OASIS staff, administrivia.
4. Review of the Charter (please note: this is not a tutorial about charter -
have your questions ready!)
charter has been recently uploaded:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/tamie/description.php
- review of deliverables, and assessing their priorities.
5. Meetings logistics:
- frequency, schedules, accommodating Asian and EU participants.
- ballots.
- procedural details such as issues list management, use of chat rooms, wikis.
- first F2F (a proposal is for March 31 - Apr 1).
6. Other aspects of TC organization:
- responsibilities to consider (NO assignment other than chair(s) expected at this time,
but to discuss: no secretary needed if two co-chairs? editor(s) needed for each deliv
and only once work has started?)
- things better left to a later decision (liaisons, subcommittees...)
7. Optionally (depending on member's mood and time): short discussion of contributed work.
(see eTSL link in Charter).
8. Next meeting
 
Minutes: (Jacques)
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1. Welcome and introductions (includes roll call)
Members present:
- Mohammad Abidi (AIAG)
- Hyunbo Cho (Pohang Univ., Korea)
- Jacques Durand (Fujitsu)
- Dale Moberg (Axway)
- Donghoon Lim (KIEC)
- Sangwon Lim (KIEC)
- Kyoung_Rog Yi (KIEC)
- Nenad Ivezic (NIST)
- Stephen Green (SystML)
OASIS staff present:
- Jamie B. Clark
- Mary McRae
 
Members introduced themselves, and mentioned their interest in this TC, ranging
from conformance and testing matters (reuse of test frameworks, portability of tests...)
to BAM, business documents testing in the context of actual transactions, integrated testing
of several specifications or usage profiles of these.
 
2. Election of chair / co-chairs.
 
two nominations for co-chairs:
- Hyunbo Cho (Pohang Univ., Korea)
- Jacques Durand (Fujitsu)
Jacques asks if anymore. None. Jamie moves to approve these.
Approved without opposition. Both candidates are co-chairs.
 
3. Welcome from OASIS staff, administrivia.
 
- Jamie extends welcomes and stresses the increasing importance of conformance
matters and testing technology to OASIS.
- Mary introduces herself as TC administrator, our contact for all procedural matters.
 
4. Review of the Charter (please note: this is not a tutorial about charter -
have your questions ready!) Review of deliverables, and assessing their priorities.
 
- charter has been recently uploaded:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/tamie/description.php
- Jacques reminds the general motivation behind this charter, synergy between testing / monitoring,
the need for test cases that span all the B2B stack (from message protocol to business documents
and choreographies), the need for a test model that works in deferred mode as well as live.
- Deliverables: the requirements doc does not have to be complete when the actual
spec work starts: it is not just a statement of what must be solved, but also serves to
communicate to the world what actually CAN be handled by the specs. So can be revised
during spec work: overlap of time windows expected. Goal: complete summer 2008.
- Spec deliverable split in two: (a) the event model and management, (b) the test script
mark-up and execution model. That departs from the main input doc (eTSL). Rationale is
that teh test scripts should accommodate existing event/log systems. Even the spec (a)
might be construed as a wrapper or interface to existing systems.
- overall philosophy is to leverage external work / scripts / processors, provided their
IP fits the TC IPR mode.
 
5. Meetings logistics:
. frequency, schedules, accommodating Asian and EU participants.
. ballots.
. procedural details such as issues list management, use of chat rooms, wikis.
. first F2F (a proposal is for March 31 - Apr 1).
 
- Meetings: all members present agree on holding meetings on Thursday US time, at 3pmPT.
Meetings will be every other week, for 90mn max. Thanks to EU member(s) and Koreans for
accommodating this schedule.
- Ballots on non-trivial issues will be preferably electronic ballots.
- Issue List: this is an important doc to track all requests and problems on the specification
under work. Co-chairs may start maintaining it and if too much overhead, will ask for help.
A wiki section seems to be appropriate.
- Chat room: Currently several TCs are using a free but private Web-based chat interface,
that allows for managing speaker's queue, can be used to take notes, etc. Will have to decide
if we rely on it or not. Similar free cht may exist on the Web, no privacy though.
- Wiki: Mo. Abidi volunteers to propose a wiki structure, make a demo of existing one.
- Mary mentions OASIS has a wiki engine (moinmoin), with access control membership level.
- Jacques suggest people look at the wiki from Test Assertions Guideline TC (link in home page).
- F2F: proposal for March 31 - Apr 1 in California so far unchallenged.
 
6. Other aspects of TC organization:
. responsibilities to consider
. things better left to a later decision (liaisons, subcommittees...)
 
- Jacques: with two co-chairs and a TC size quite average, there should not be a need for
an additional secretary. Either co-chair can fill that role on and off.
- Editor(s) will be looked after once we start on a deliverable document.
 
7. Optionally (depending on member's mood and time): short discussion of contributed work.
(see eTSL link in Charter).
 
- no time for this.
 
8. Next meeting.
 
- next meeting: Thursday Feb 14th, 3:00pm-4:30pm PT (starts 1h before this meeting)


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