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Subject: Minutes kick-off meeting jan 28 - 2008
- From: "Durand, Jacques R." <JDurand@us.fujitsu.com>
- To: <tamie@lists.oasis-open.org>
- Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:06:11 -0800
Let me know if
anything needs to be modified / added, before uploading to Web
page.
Thx,
Jacques
Event
Description:
-------------------------
TaMIE TC meeting (kick-off conference
call)
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/tamie/
Date: Monday 4pm
PT(California time), 28 January 2008
Host: Fujitsu
US toll free: 866-760-1934
intl: 1-517-233-9562
participant: 2426197
Agenda:
------------
1. Welcome and introductions (includes roll
call)
2. Election of chair / co-chairs.
3. Welcome from OASIS staff,
administrivia.
4. Review of the Charter (please note: this is not
a tutorial about charter -
have your questions ready!)
charter has been recently uploaded:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/tamie/description.php
- review of deliverables, and assessing their
priorities.
5. Meetings logistics:
- frequency, schedules, accommodating Asian and EU
participants.
- ballots.
- procedural details such as issues list
management, use of chat rooms, wikis.
- first F2F (a proposal is for March 31 - Apr
1).
6. Other aspects of TC organization:
- responsibilities to consider (NO assignment other
than chair(s) expected at this time,
but to discuss: no secretary needed if two
co-chairs? editor(s) needed for each deliv
and only once work has started?)
- things better left to a later decision (liaisons,
subcommittees...)
7. Optionally (depending on member's mood and
time): short discussion of contributed work.
(see eTSL link in Charter).
8. Next
meeting
Minutes:
(Jacques)
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1. Welcome and introductions (includes roll
call)
Members present:
- Mohammad Abidi (AIAG)
- Hyunbo Cho (Pohang Univ., Korea)
- Jacques Durand (Fujitsu)
- Dale Moberg (Axway)
- Donghoon Lim (KIEC)
- Sangwon Lim (KIEC)
- Kyoung_Rog Yi (KIEC)
- Nenad Ivezic (NIST)
- Stephen Green (SystML)
OASIS staff present:
- Jamie B. Clark
- Mary McRae
Members introduced themselves, and mentioned their
interest in this TC, ranging
from conformance and testing matters (reuse of test
frameworks, portability of tests...)
to BAM, business documents testing in the context
of actual transactions, integrated testing
of several specifications or usage profiles of
these.
2. Election of chair / co-chairs.
two nominations for co-chairs:
- Hyunbo Cho (Pohang Univ., Korea)
- Jacques Durand (Fujitsu)
Jacques asks if anymore. None. Jamie moves to approve these.
Approved without opposition. Both candidates are
co-chairs.
3. Welcome from OASIS staff,
administrivia.
- Jamie extends welcomes and stresses the
increasing importance of conformance
matters and testing technology to
OASIS.
- Mary introduces herself as TC administrator, our
contact for all procedural matters.
4. Review of the Charter (please note: this is not
a tutorial about charter -
have your questions ready!) Review of deliverables,
and assessing their priorities.
- charter has been recently uploaded:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/tamie/description.php
- Jacques reminds the general motivation behind
this charter, synergy between testing / monitoring,
the need for test cases that span all the B2B stack
(from message protocol to business documents
and choreographies), the need for a test model that
works in deferred mode as well as live.
- Deliverables: the requirements doc does not have
to be complete when the actual
spec work starts: it is not just a statement of
what must be solved, but also serves to
communicate to the world what actually CAN be
handled by the specs. So can be revised
during spec work: overlap of time windows expected.
Goal: complete summer 2008.
- Spec deliverable split in two: (a) the event
model and management, (b) the test script
mark-up and execution model. That departs from the
main input doc (eTSL). Rationale is
that teh test scripts should accommodate existing
event/log systems. Even the spec (a)
might be construed as a wrapper or interface to
existing systems.
- overall philosophy is to leverage external work /
scripts / processors, provided their
IP fits the TC IPR mode.
5. Meetings logistics:
. frequency, schedules, accommodating
Asian and EU
participants.
. ballots.
. procedural details such as issues list
management, use of chat rooms, wikis.
. first F2F (a proposal is for March 31 - Apr
1).
- Meetings: all members present agree on holding
meetings on Thursday US time, at 3pmPT.
Meetings will be every other week, for 90mn
max. Thanks to EU member(s) and Koreans for
accommodating
this schedule.
- Ballots on non-trivial issues will be preferably
electronic ballots.
- Issue List: this is an important doc to track all
requests and problems on the specification
under work. Co-chairs may start maintaining it and
if too much overhead, will ask for help.
A wiki section seems to be
appropriate.
- Chat room: Currently several TCs are using a free
but private Web-based chat interface,
that allows for managing speaker's queue, can be
used to take notes, etc. Will have to decide
if we rely on it or not. Similar free cht may exist
on the Web, no privacy though.
- Wiki: Mo. Abidi volunteers to propose a wiki
structure, make a demo of existing one.
- Mary mentions OASIS has a wiki engine (moinmoin),
with access control membership level.
- Jacques suggest people look at the wiki from Test
Assertions Guideline TC (link in home page).
- F2F: proposal for March 31 - Apr 1 in California
so far unchallenged.
6. Other aspects of TC organization:
. responsibilities to consider
. things better left to a later decision (liaisons,
subcommittees...)
- Jacques: with two co-chairs and a TC size quite
average, there should not be a need for
an additional secretary. Either co-chair can fill
that role on and off.
- Editor(s) will be looked after once we start on a
deliverable document.
7. Optionally (depending on member's mood and
time): short discussion of contributed work.
(see eTSL link in Charter).
- no time for this.
8. Next
meeting.
- next meeting: Thursday Feb 14th, 3:00pm-4:30pm PT
(starts 1h before this meeting)
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