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Subject: Re: [chairs] changes in operation of TCs


OK, I'll be happy to pass this along. As I mentioned, the Board still 
needs to re-examine at least one issue in the TC Process, so I can bring 
this matter up.

-Karl



David RR Webber wrote:
> Karl,
> 
> Can we formally propose to the Board that the attendence paragraph be amended 
> to include a sentence that gives the TC chair discretion be inserted?
> 
> I drafted one sentence already - but I'm sure Jamie can do better.
> 
> While everyone agrees on the spirit and intent - to ensure prompt attendence. 
> I think we need some leeway so this does not end up shooting ourselves in the 
> foot.  Of course one immediate device is to take a "provisional roll-call" 
> before the "official roll-call", or just not complete the roll-call - leave 
> it "in progress" throughout the meeting, since nothing actually says when you 
> have to finish the roll-call - only that you must start it at the beginning of 
> the meeting.  But you hate to have to muck with procedure - it should be simple
> and obvious - as you noted.
> 
> Thanks, DW.
> =================================================================
>  Quoting "Karl F. Best" <karl.best@oasis-open.org>:
> 
> 
>>Harm:
>>
>>OASIS has always tried to keep things simple, and while our process is 
>>still quite simple and streamlined compared to other organizations, as 
>>we grow in numbers of members and TCs we find more things that need to 
>>be clarified or defined better. So over time our rules get to be a bit 
>>more complex. I hope that we never get to the point where our rules are 
>>as complicated as e.g. ISO or some governments.
>>
>>As I said earlier, the intent behind this particular change in the 
>>Process was so that the TC can decide early whether quorum is achieved 
>>-- and also so that the chair has a firm definition of meeting 
>>attendance. It wasn't our intent to make it more difficult for people to 
>>maintain their membership, but I suppose that the side effect of 
>>requiring people to arrive on time could be seen as a good thing.
>>
>>-Karl
>>
>>
>>Burg, HJM van (DgB/INNOVATI) wrote:
>>
>>>Karl,
>>>
>>>As relatively new chair I am hesitating to join this type of discussions.
>>>Looking as this new rules I see that some organisations can have more
>>
>>rules
>>
>>>than government where I work for.
>>>I can imagine that these kind of rules work for some committees but not
>>
>>for
>>
>>>mine. We have some very busy government and industry officials in our TC
>>
>>and
>>
>>>I certainly do not want to push them out with rules like the one about
>>>coming to late or leaving to early. I am glad with the participation since
>>>especially government bodies have also other organisations in which they
>>>could discuss. In my case OECD!.  Working within the OASIS community I
>>>consider important.
>>>It could be helpful to use this rules when some members dysfunction.
>>>I'm am most certainly not applying this rules strict. I hope to keep it as
>>>long as we can with common courtesy not to come to late and so on.
>>>Up till now I fill in the attendance list after the meeting. If it appears
>>>that we did not reach the quorum: to bad. By the way up till now we always
>>>got the quorum! Perhaps because our TC is small but also because we
>>
>>respect
>>
>>>that we contribute to our possibilities.
>>>
>>>
>>>Harm Jan van Burg
>>>Netherlands Tax and Customs administration
>>>Chair Tax-xml TC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>>Van: Karl F. Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org] 
>>>Verzonden: dinsdag 2 september 2003 19:42
>>>Aan: 'chairs@lists.oasis-open.org'; 'James Bryce Clark'
>>>Onderwerp: [chairs] changes in operation of TCs
>>>
>>>
>>>Chairs:
>>>
>>>I have just announced to the OASIS membership the revision of the TC 
>>>Process. While most of the changes have to do with how new TCs are 
>>>formed I want to remind you of the changes that will effect the 
>>>operation of existing TCs.
>>>
>>>Please start by reading the the new TC Process doc and summary of 
>>>changes at http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.php
>>>
>>>* When a person joins the TC, the Primary Representative of the person's 
>>>employer company must be notified. (We'll be adding this as an automated 
>>>Kavi functionality soon. As you don't have access to the email addresses 
>>>of the Primary Reps so won't be able to do this manually, we'll hold off 
>>>enforcing this item until the Kavi functionality is in place.)
>>>
>>>* During probation the prospective member must maintain the same 2/3 
>>>attendance as a member.
>>>
>>>* Observers may post messages to the mail list. (If you've been setting 
>>>people in the roster to Member without voting rights in order to 
>>>circumvent the previous setting, please change these people to Observer.)
>>>
>>>* Maintaining membership is based on attendance at TC meetings, which is 
>>>now defined as being present during roll call at the beginning of the 
>>>meeting. For TCs without meetings, membership is based on returning 2/3 
>>>ballots.
>>>
>>>* Leave of absence is allowed once per twelve month period rather than 
>>>once per calendar year. The TC chair must notify the TC via the TC mail 
>>>list when a person goes on leave.
>>>
>>>* A TC must have a chair, and in the absence of a chair cannot conduct 
>>>any business other than electing a new chair. Co-chairs are allowed; no 
>>>more than two people may share the responsibilities of chair and may be 
>>>replaced jointly or individually.
>>>
>>>* The TC's public comment list is replaced with a "means to collect 
>>>public comments", which will be a web form. (This is to prevent the 
>>>comment list from being used as a discussion list.) Comments collected 
>>>by the web form will go to the chairs. I'm having the web forms built 
>>>now and will announce to the comment lists when this change will take
>>
>>place.
>>
>>>* All communications and discussions of the TC must take place on the 
>>>TC's list. (This is to ensure that all TC business is archived on the 
>>>OASIS servers.)
>>>
>>>* The TC may adopt standing rules, and must communicate those to the TC 
>>>Admin who may override them. Standing rules may not relate to IPR. (If 
>>>your TC has adopted any standing rules I would appreciate your 
>>>communicating these to Jamie and myself.)
>>>
>>>* TC charters may be clarified for the purpose of removing ambiguity and 
>>>narrowing the scope of work only. New deliverables may be added within 
>>>the scope of the TC. The clarification is approved by 2/3 vote with no 
>>>more than 1/4 against. The clarification must be communicated to the TC 
>>>Admin, who has 15 days to approve and announce the clarification.
>>>
>>>* TCs may conduct electronic ballots, with a minimum of seven days for 
>>>the ballot period. A majority of the TC must cast votes for the ballot 
>>>to be valid, and the majority of votes cast determines the result.
>>>
>>>* The TC may adopt a standing rule to allow making of motions 
>>>electronically.
>>>
>>>* The TC may form a subcommittee, which must have a statement of 
>>>purpose, deliverables, and chair. SC deliverables are made only to the TC.
>>>
>>>* The TC Admin *may* close a TC that isn't holding meetings or not 
>>>making progress towards achieving its purpose. The TC Admin *must* close 
>>>a TC that has completed its deliverables. (Hint: to avoid being closed, 
>>>a TC should add new deliverables to its charter after it has completed 
>>>its original list.)
>>>
>>>* The rules for Joint Committees have been rewritten to define that the 
>>>TCs are members, not the people; how membership is maintained; and to 
>>>define how TCs can join an existing JC.
>>>
>>>* OASIS members can appeal the actions of the TC Admin to the Board.
>>>
>>>* The "Committee Specification" is renamed to be "Committee Draft". 
>>>(We'll grandfather the existing approved specs; we'll refer to them 
>>>generically as Committee Drafts, but won't require you to change any 
>>>existing documents.)
>>>
>>>* The TC Admin must be notified of any vote, successful or not, to 
>>>approve a specification as a Committee Draft. (The purpose is so that 
>>>OASIS staff can work with the TC to begin promotion of the spec. OASIS 
>>>Staff will schedule a concall with you to discuss how we can start 
>>>promoting the work and discuss the schedule for advancement to OASIS 
>>>Standard.)
>>>
>>>* Substantive changes made to the spec after the public review starts 
>>>will require that another review be conducted.
>>>
>>>* The submission of the Committee Draft for consideration as an OASIS 
>>>Standard must include a statement regarding how the spec relates to 
>>>other existing work, an account of the voting for approval at the TC 
>>>level, and a pointer to any minority reports.
>>>
>>>
>>>Also, the revised TC Process says that 20% of membership is required to 
>>>approve an OASIS Standard, up from 10%, but this is going to be 
>>>discussed further by the Board.
>>>
>>>While in general you should expect your TC's charter to be grandfathered 
>>>  (i.e. we won't require you to immediately add the new information now 
>>>required at the formation of a new TC), Jamie and I will be looking 
>>>through the existing charters to see if there are any things that 
>>>conflict with the new TC Process, and will contact you to see about 
>>>getting these things changed. ***Any future charter revisions should 
>>>include the addition of the new items required for charters in proposals 
>>>(including definition of what is in/out of scope, who the audience is, 
>>>etc.)***
>>>
>>>You should also expect to see some additional changes made to the TC 
>>>Process in the near future to support a revision of the OASIS IPR Policy 
>>>which is currently being discussed by the Board. I'll keep you informed 
>>>as there is anything to report.
>>>
>>>Please contact Jamie or myself if you have questions about these 
>>>changes. If there is sufficient interest we could set up one or more Q&A 
>>>concalls. Jamie and I are working on a revision to the TC Guidelines 
>>>which will reflect the revised TC Process.
>>>
>>>-Karl
>>>
>>>
>>>=================================================================
>>>Karl F. Best
>>>Vice President, OASIS
>>>office  +1 978.667.5115 x206     mobile +1 978.761.1648
>>>karl.best@oasis-open.org      http://www.oasis-open.org
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>-- 
>>=================================================================
>>Karl F. Best
>>Vice President, OASIS
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=================================================================
Karl F. Best
Vice President, OASIS
office  +1 978.667.5115 x206     mobile +1 978.761.1648
karl.best@oasis-open.org      http://www.oasis-open.org



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