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Subject: RE: [tax] Comments on XML Position Paper

As you all probably know, in the Netherlands we have an XML audit file, as
specified by the Belastingdienst.  As an audit firm we have incorporated
this audit file in our audit activities with the use of an specific audit

We want to stay close -for all the obvious reasons- to the developments of
standards and we have compared the properties of XBRL and the XML audit
file. In my opinion the right comparison is on the XBRL GL taxonomy level,
which differs from XBRL financial reporting, in particular in the details

 Marc van Hilvoorde                                                                                                   
 Global Risk Management Solutions                                                                                     

                      George Farkas                                                                                                    
                      <gfarkas@xbisoftwa       To: Lutes Terence H <Terence.H.Lutes@irs.gov>, Philip Allen                             
                      re.com>                    <plega-oasis@decisionsoft.com>, tax@lists.oasis-open.org                              
                      12-03-2004 16:01         cc: Eric E Cohen/US/ABAS/PwC@Americas-US                                                
                                               Subject:  RE: [tax] Comments on XML Position Paper                                      

I agree that one ought to be careful, but the discussion ignores XBRL GL.

XBRL GL (and Eric Cohen is the expert here) enables the tax world to get
the information it needs at a far more granular level than XBRL financial
reporting. If we ignore XBRL GL, we are ignoring some of the best
standardized ways of obtaining the tax information that is required. IMHO,
if my limited knowledge of XBRL GL is correct,  XBRL GL can provide the
reports of the transactions as is needed.

Disclosure: As Chair of XBRL Canada, I may be biased in that direction.

George Farkas
President, XBI Software Inc
Chair, XBRL Canada

At 02:01 AM 3/12/2004, Lutes Terence H wrote:

      I very much agree with Phil and Andy's point.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Philip Allen [mailto:plega-oasis@decisionsoft.com]
      Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 4:15 AM
      To: tax@lists.oasis-open.org
      Subject: Re: [tax] Comments on XML Position Paper

      On Tuesday 09 March 2004 11:47, Andy Greener wrote:

      > I'm also a little nervous about recommending XBRL wholesale as the
      > standard for tax reporting. It is certainly appropriate in the
      > corporate financial reporting world, and by extension therefore the

      > corporate tax reporting world, but I can think of a number of tax
      > reporting scenarios here in the UK for instance for which it would
      > less than ideal (personal tax compliance information, payroll
      > deduction and compliance information for income tax and National
      > Insurance, duty on property and financial transactions, etc).

      I would like to support Andy's point here.  XBRL is very well suited
      for corporate financial data and related tax and regulatory reporting
      - but much other tax data is transactional in nature and so there is
      a strong case for couching it in conventional XML.  The widespread
      acceptance of XBRL is a huge step forward for the financial services
      industry but we must be careful not to oversell it.

      Philip Allen, Chairman      DecisionSoft Limited
      +44-1865-203192             http://www.decisionsoft.com

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