RE: [tgf] FW: EIS/EIF NOW AVAILABLE

["John Borras" <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>]

Ted - thanks for this suggestion and keep "lurking" please.

Peter - perhaps something to include in the Glossary as a first step?  We
can then decide where else it plays into the Framework.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: Haas, Ted [mailto:THaas@gs1us.org] 
Sent: 20 December 2010 16:07
To: peter@peterfbrown.com; 'Chris Parker'; 'John Borras';
tgf@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [tgf] FW: EIS/EIF NOW AVAILABLE

Cheers All,
You have been making great strides. I have been reduced to lurking as I
think at best we are engaging in things that may be use cases for you. so we
still think this is a good place to be.

I wanted to contribute one small thing but I have seen it pay huge dividends
in our work with The US and other governments.  We took the time to
conceptually define what B to G is and position it as a subset of B to B.
In words Business to business involves buyer and seller and goes on globally
and has had huge innovation.  B to G is the subset of transactions where the
buyer and seller in a B to B transaction are in different countries.  The
added complexity is that The G drives the information rules and engagement
more often than not by fiat (the mandating of the use of HTS, FDA codes etc)
The same comments can be said about B to C and the linkage can be made that
B to B systems and B to C systems share much architecture etc.

Given the economic circumstances and the huge investments already made in
both B to B and B to C, the return on investment and also implementation
time is arguably better. This also increases reusability as by definition
this is a reuse instance.

We have been inside the integrated US Government space for several years now
and almost universally is the reaction that it might well work for the
others but we are different because.
We have found you can only have substantive work after that dance has been
had and the positioning is agreed to.

Regards,

Ted Haas
Standards Coordinator UNSPSC
www.unspsc.org
623-478-2745
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From: Peter F Brown [peter@peterfbrown.com]
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 8:22 AM
To: 'Chris Parker'; 'John Borras'; tgf@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [tgf] FW: EIS/EIF NOW AVAILABLE

I'd echo many of Chris and John's sentiments regarding the EIF as published
and the relationship that it could have with TGF.

One other factor, and possibly a significant driver in the world of
realpolitik, is the reaction of many governments to major financial cutbacks
in the current political & economic climate: in the UK, as you are aware,
there is talk from some snake-oil merchants about favouring "chaotic
community action" as an alternative to "costly, heavyweight, policy
procedures". It would seem that if we are able to articulate the need for a
"new approach" and show how transformation can also make a positive impact
on the bottom line of government budgets, we should be pushing at an opening
door.

Cheers,
Peter

From: Chris Parker [mailto:chris.parker@cstransform.com]
Sent: Sunday, 19 December 2010 12:38
To: John Borras; tgf@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [tgf] FW: EIS/EIF NOW AVAILABLE

John

My own view is that the latest EIS/EIF is good news in terms of the agenda
which the TC has set out.  Firstly, because the EIS/EIF is entirely
consistent with the approach we are developing in the TGF.  But secondly,
because the underlying rationale for the TGF - which is that there is a
significant stratgeic gap in guidance to governments in this space - has
certainly not been changed because the new EIS/EIF has filled that gap.

To expand of these points a little, I see the EU initiative as consistent,
because it recognises that delivering real benefits to citizens from ICT
requires interoperability between organisations, and that this is a
multi-dimensional problem of which technical interoperability is just one
element.  The framework of technical/semantic/organisational/legal/political
interoperability is a holistic one.  The problem though is that it is fairly
academic, and difficult to translate into actionable delivery plans at the
whole-of-government level.  By mapping the EU framework against key service
delivery areas (business management, customer management, channel manageent
etc), our Policy Framework helps give a much clearer view of what is
actually needed.  And then by pulling together best practices on business
model, delivery planning and so on, the TGF should help governments move
more rapidly and effectively towards implementation.


Chris Parker
Managing Partner, CS Transform Ltd, +44 7951 754 060


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From: John Borras [mailto:johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 17 December 2010 16:11
To: tgf@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [tgf] FW: EIS/EIF NOW AVAILABLE
I've taken a  closer look at these documents now and I think the major
impact for the  TC is as follows:


How do we align our Framework with the EIS/EIF, and vice-versa, without
compromising the objectives of the TC?  We have to remember that the EIS/EIF
is about interoperability of European government services and that quite
clearly is not a universal requirement and is not the whole breadth of the
proposed TGF.  The task for us as I see will be to show how our Framework
can be mapped to the EIS/EIF and what added value it could bring by the
adoption of its wider focus.



We have of course already opened the door on the TGF with the ISA Programme
leadership and have an on-going action to pursue that discussion so the
opportunity is there for us once we have got some reasonably stable
material.

I would welcome other views on the impact of these documents on our work.

John

From: John Borras [mailto:johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 16 December 2010 12:22
To: 'tgf@lists.oasis-open.org'
Subject: EIS/EIF NOW AVAILABLE

The European Commission has today released its European Information Strategy
and version 2 of its Interoperability Framework.  Both are available at
http://ec.europa.eu/isa/strategy/index_en.htm .

We will need to take these into consideration in our work.


Regards
John Borras

Chair OASIS TGF Technical Committee

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