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Subject: RE: [tgf] Draft deliverable 1 - the TGF Core Framework
Ted
Let me re-assure you please that you are not being prioritized down.
Everyone on the TC is important and I will ensure we take all contributions
into account. I did not get the comment last week that you refer to so
perhaps you can re-send it to the TGF mailing list please.
We will certainly have regard to the issues you have raised and indeed I
spoke to Peter only yesterday and we agreed to set up an issues register to
capture all such points. However we are very much focused on an early
high-level deliverable so many very useful contributions may have to be
deferred to the next or a later release. That's not about ignoring them
it's just a case of dealing with each of them when we get down to the
appropriate level of detail. As you can appreciate this is a huge agenda and
everybody will have their own bits they want included. My plea is bear with
us and we'll get round to everything in due course.
Regards
John Borras
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From: Haas, Ted [mailto:THaas@gs1us.org]
Sent: 03 February 2011 22:38
To: Greenaway Nigel; John Borras; peter@peterfbrown.com; TGF TC List
Subject: RE: [tgf] Draft deliverable 1 - the TGF Core Framework
Cheers NIgel,
I am happy to see your comment about businesses. I posted a comment about
that last week and got no play (no worries, I understand everyone is
overloaded and with the amount of work I am not contributing here, I can
easily understand being prioritized down).
I also would like to open a new issue that I hope will be touched in this
program but only lightly. We have worked long with a government group that
consisted of the CIO's offices in 15 US government agencies (since 2007)
This program has morphed into The PIC program which I have submitted public
domain documents on to the group. Their major issue is two fold. First
there is an almost incomprehensible level of overlap of jurisdiction between
government agencies based on what a product is composed of (President
Obama's analogy in "The state of The Union Address is a mild example) There
is an even more divisive issue lurking a level below this. That is that The
government agencies use (in some cases) several different identifiers to
conform something that are complete un resolved or linked. I submitted to
John a url where a scientist in California has done a great deal of work in
this regard and co-opted the term economic distance. Everything on his web
site is open domain for re use or citation and can be packaged and
redistributed. The only prohibition is that it cannot be repackaged and
sold. You can freely contact himdirectly to certify this.
If it is agreeable that treatment of Government to business can be made
robust and some mention of a unified information model can be included. I
think there is enough of a linkage between what is going on here and the
things we are doing in our own right that I can naturally bring this work
into conversations I am having with very interesting and possibly helpful
constituencies and also cite our work as a use case within your framework.
I don't mean to be evasive on the who's but we are finalizing some
agreements and understandings and decorum precludes us from openly
discussing them until they are final. I trust you will understand
Ted Haas
Standards Coordinator UNSPSC
www.unspsc.org
623-478-2745
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From: Greenaway Nigel [Nig.Greenaway@uk.fujitsu.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:42 AM
To: John Borras; peter@peterfbrown.com; TGF TC List
Subject: RE: [tgf] Draft deliverable 1 - the TGF Core Framework
Hi,
I may only be able to initiate tomorrow’s working session conference
call but have had a chance to read Peter’s documents and attach some
comments:-
1. Core Framework (added to John’s comments (with which I agree) – I
suggest that we need more emphasis on businesses being customers and the use
of modern technologies to foster partnership working with customers and
interest groups outside government
<<20110203 - Outline Draft - 1 - TGF Core
Framework+JB + NG comments.doc>>
2. Business Management Framework. I have added my original
‘stakeholder’ model in at the point that I feel is appropriate
<<20110203 - Outline Draft - 2 - Business Management
Framework + NG Comments.doc>>
3. Customer Management Framework. I think we need to review the status
of the Concentrix model and any alternatives that would satisfy our
requirements.
<<20110203 - Outline Draft - 3 - Customer Management
Framework + NG Comments.doc>>
4. Channel Management Framework. I suggest that we need to promote a
mixed economy of government and other organisations.
<<20110203 - Outline Draft - 4 - Channel Management
Framework + NG Comments.doc>>
5. Business Management Framework. I suggest that we consider the
CSTranform Governance Maturity Model for inclusion in this paper
Regards
Nig
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From: John Borras [mailto:johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 01 February 2011 11:36
To: peter@peterfbrown.com; 'TGF TC List '
Subject: RE: [tgf] Draft deliverable 1 - the TGF Core Framework
Peter
Thanks for this and the other sections you’ve posted. A few initial
thoughts in attached but as you say we need to agree on the overall
structure and flow first before we get to detailed content. I tend to agree
with Colin that the demarcation between overview/scope and the Framework
standard bit is not very clear. Not a big editing job, just needs some word
smithing to make the distinction clear. For discussion on Friday.
John
From: Peter F Brown [mailto:peter@peterfbrown.com]
Sent: 01 February 2011 01:56
To: TGF TC List
Subject: [tgf] Draft deliverable 1 - the TGF Core Framework
Hi:
In line with the proposals that I made last week, I have submitted to our
document repository a first, very rough and ready draft of what would be the
first main standards-track deliverable, the ‘TGF Core Framework’:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/tgf/document.php?document_id=40
965
I’ve screen scraped from the CS Transform contributions and used various
bits that have also been worked on. The detail isn’t important at this stage
(and as editors, Chris and I will obviously take care to endure the text is
fully coherent), just the overall structure and flow.
I’ll do the same for the next three – which should be easier as they are
more or less straight lifts from the business management, customer
management and channel management sections of the contributions we have.
I’ll submit them asap.
As for the four ‘non-standards track’ Committee Notes,
- we don’t yet have any substantive content for the one on SOA;
- the one on “tools and models for the business management framework”
will include material we have on the milestones matrix, the stakeholders
map, and the policy map
- the ones on “tools and models for the customer management framework”
and “tools and models for the channel management framework” are fairly bare
at the moment – we will have to judge how much goes in the respective
‘frameworks’ and how much needs to be left to a non-standards track paper
Regards,
Peter
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