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Subject: Re: [tgf] RE: [chairs] Voting No on TGF ballot - TC's RESPONSE
John, I would note that the OASIS BCM is an existing OASIS Member approved standard and precedence for TGF. OASIS realized at that time that standards did NOT have to include XML schema documents and be machine testable for conformance. I would point to further work - such as the NIEM approach for enterprise information exchanges using XML that is being widely adopted. The Naming and Design Rules are derived from ISO 11179 and ebXML CCTS - and contain several semantic guidelines for which you cannot write code based checks - human inspection and acceptance of linguistic and industry domain common practice is needed (e.g. is something a tariff, a surcharge, or a weight). NIEM too avoids conformance - because it simply cannot be fully asserted or tested. The best you can say is something is aligned with and is consistent with NIEM. Providing guidance to organizations so they can set their own expectations and requirements and methods for testing alignment. Therefore I would strongly concur with John here, OASIS needs tools beyond middleware XML that inform and empower organizations to build better processes for developing solutions. The marketplace is looking to standards organizations to provide this guidance. Thanks, David Webber ----- Original Message ----- From: johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk To: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org Cc: tgf@lists.oasis-open.org, colin_wallis@hotmail.com, patrick@durusau.net Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:49:38 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [tgf] RE: [chairs] Voting No on TGF ballot - TC's RESPONSE Chairs You will already have seen the response from Peter Brown, copy attached, to Patrick's complaint. I have to re-enforce emphatically on behalf of my TC what Peter has said in our defence. The TC has followed all OASIS procedures to the letter and no complaints have been received at any stage during the various internal and public reviews. So why does Patrick raise this objection at the 11th hour during the final vote. He has had ample opportunity to raise any objections at an earlier date and to do so now is not really helpful to all my colleagues on the TC who have put in many hours of hard work to get to where we are today. It also reflects badly on OASIS as all of the consequences of these exchanges will be in the public domain. I'm sure as TC chairs you can empathise with that situation. Also in our opinion he is wrong in trying to compare the approach to conformance clauses in the more traditional OASIS technical standards where making systems interoperate is the objective and can be fully tested. Those parameters are not the same for a business methodology like the TGF. Our objective is not about interoperability as such but setting a standard approach for running a business change programme, in this case for the delivery of public sector services. There are many other business standards including ISO and national standards where the same type of conformance criteria as we have in the TGF are set. So a different mentality is required for our case and we do not believe Patrick’s views reflect that perspective. We think his final sentence in his note sums it up where he talks about “OASIS standards to have any credibility in the IT world”. OASIS and many other standards organisations nowadays are not just about the IT world and the TGF is definitely not just about IT. There is a going trend to address the business and other aspects of deploying IT systems and we believe we are in the vanguard of that new focus. I respectively ask you to ignore Patrick's request to vote No and to confirm your support for our work. Regards John Borras Chair OASIS TGF Technical Committee m. +(0)44 7976 157745 Skype: gov3john www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=tgf -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Durusau [mailto:patrick@durusau.net] Sent: 23 April 2013 01:18 To: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [chairs] Voting No on TGF ballot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings! I have posted a some what longer narrative about why organizational members should vote no on the TGF ballot that closes Wednesday, April 25, 2013 at: http://www.durusau.net/publications/TGF-No.pdf Please pass this along to your primary reps. Thanks! Hope you are having a great week! 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