Re: [tgf] NEW TGF PATTERN

[John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>]

Thanks Nig.  I can see a lot of the keywords we have talked about in this draft so from that aspect it seems to be going in the right direction. 

I wonder if we could include a high-level diagram in the Notes section to position Platforms, Channels and other aspects of the overall architecture to ensure clarity?  Not sure if this would satisfy Chris' request for a reference architecture but it might be the best we could do without incurring all the intellectual debate I've referred to previously.

I'll second your request for views from everybody else before the TC call next week.

John

From: Greenaway Nigel <Nig.Greenaway@uk.fujitsu.com>
To: TGF TC List <tgf@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Monday, 9 June 2014, 10:41
Subject: RE: [tgf] NEW TGF PATTERN

Hi All,

        Here is an initial stab at some wording for a Platforms pattern.

 

Together with ‘Cloud’ the IoT is initiating a trend  towards disaggregation of an organisation’s IT assets so I have attempted to place this pattern in that wider context and have managed to avoid the term “Internet of Things”. However, please note that it does already occur in TGF v2 in pattern [T1].

 

I did look at the Microsoft reference architecture mentioned by Chris but felt that it was too ‘enterprise-centric’ for what we are trying to do here. The xGEA work that I was involved in did produce a reference architecture but IMO that has similar characteristics plus I have not seen any indication that it is being maintained  (let alone extended as was the original intention) by UK Government. I did refer to a very high-level representation produced by SAP during one of the earlier email exchanges and based the text description of the platform types on that. I didn’t use the diagram as I wasn’t sure about the IP ramifications and it does include the IoT term.

 

Having looked back at the [T1] and [T2] patterns, this could be managed (at the level that I have cast this) by extending them but feel that it fits better into the service patterns and should remain separate.

 

I hope this all makes sense. It would be good if everyone could send their views to the list so we can agree our approach on the next call. We can then go on to draft any changes to the linked patterns.

 

               

Regards

 

Nig

 

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From: tgf@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:tgf@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of John Borras
Sent: 30 May 2014 09:26
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Subject: Re: [tgf] NEW TGF PATTERN

 

Thanks Nig.   Some suggested wording would be good if you've got the time and inclination.....-)

 

John

 

From: Greenaway Nigel <Nig.Greenaway@uk.fujitsu.com>
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Sent: Friday, 30 May 2014, 9:19
Subject: RE: [tgf] NEW TGF PATTERN

 

Hi John,

                I think this is a good start. It sparked a few thoughts in my mind where things are starting to change and TGF can add some value (e.g. around leveraging other initiatives such as smart metering, etc. that we can draw out in the detail.. I think we should be able to build up a rich (but not overloaded) pattern and with amendments in the other areas that you outline be able to incorporate the topic with skewing the TGF or changing its overall character.

 

 

Regards

 

Nig

 

Nig Greenaway

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From: tgf@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:tgf@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of John Borras
Sent: 29 May 2014 15:09
To: TGF TC List
Subject: Fw: [tgf] NEW TGF PATTERN

 

Following on from our discussion about this topic on the last TC call, I've put together a discussion document attached which sets out the basis of a new pattern and other consequential amendments to the TGF.  Before I go too much further down the drafting route what do people think about this as the approach to pursue? 

 

You'll see I'm suggesting we do not use the term Internet of Things if we can avoid it so that we are not seen to be jumping on the latest bandwagon and using new buzzwords, but trying to elaborate in plain simple English what this new component is about.  From what I can see there is still no common definition of IoT and that's another reason for avoiding the term.

 

Can I have your views on this draft and suggested additional wording for inclusion in the new pattern and the other existing patterns.  If it's not what you have in mind then please articulate your alternative approach.

 

 

John

 

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From: John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>
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Sent: Friday, 9 May 2014, 14:25
Subject: Fw: [tgf] NEW TGF PATTERN?

 

Picking up on Chris' point 4 below, what do people think about the idea of producing a new pattern along the lines of

"aiming to map out at a high level the technology architecture which best supports the sort of open and citizen-centric approach recommended in TGF.  This would take some of the principles already enunciated in Pattern T2 (Technology Development and Management) and show what these look like in terms of a high level architectural model based on open standards"

 

And if we go down this route are there any existing models that members know of or would like to contribute rather than us starting with a blank sheet of paper?

 

Thoughts please so we can have a focussed discussion on the next call rather than an open-ended brainstorm.

 

John

 

 

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From: Chris Parker <chris.parker@cstransform.com>
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Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2014, 14:58
Subject: RE: [tgf] NEW TGF PATTERN?

John

With apologies for the delay, here are some thoughts on the IoT issue, and your suggestion of a new pattern.

My thoughts run something like this:

1) TGF doesn't feel like the place to address any standards development needs that IoT may throw up at the technical level
2) At a business and organisational change level, I'm not convinced that IoT throws up new issues that aren't dealt with in TGF already.  Yes, it is another important and disruptive wave of technology change, but all of the challenges the public sector faces in getting benefit from it feel like the familiar silo and cultural issues TGF is already aimed at addressing.
3) So there may be a case for weaving more reference to IoT into the TGF narrative, but it doesn't feel to me like a pattern in its own right.
4) That said, I think there is real potential in your idea of a 'Platform Management' pattern of some sort.  I would see this as being more part of the Technology Management section of the TGF, aiming to map out at a high level the technology architecture which best supports the sort of open and citizen-centric approach recommended in TGF.  This would take some of the principles already enunciated in Pattern T2 (Technology Development and Management) and show what these look like in terms of a high level architectural model based on open standards.  A number of TC participants like Microsoft and Oracle already have such models they use with government clients, and there is a good degree of commonality.  So I could see value in looking to develop some sort of consensus model in this space, which covered but was not solely focused on IoT.

Look forward to discussing further on the call.



Chris Parker
Managing Partner, CS Transform
+44 7951 754060
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From: tgf@lists.oasis-open.org [tgf@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of John Borras [johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 02 May 2014 10:57
To: TGF TC List
Subject: [tgf] NEW TGF PATTERN?

I've had 2 separate but related email discussions going on over the last couple of weeks.

First my email to the list concerning the Internet of Things to which Nig has so far responded, see attached.  And second a discussion with Hans concerning the Man to Machine interface and Scenario Planning, see attached.

It seems to me that these two aspects are closely related and perhaps point to a new Service Management pattern in the TGF.  It could be another dimension of Channel Management but I feel there is a difference between Channels and Platforms and therefore we could be talking about a new Platform Management pattern.  I'm not sure what the new pattern would say other than raising awareness of this aspect and pointing to the new work in ISO and IEEE that Coin pointed us to on the last call.  It's also interesting the OASIS has just issued a new information note on the IoT and M2M although it doesn't suggest that any new work is about to start in the organisation but it is clearly an emerging topic.

I'll put this on the agenda for our next TC call but it would be good to get some views in advance of that please.  Is there something for us to consider and develop a new pattern or not?

John

 

 

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