RE: [xtm-wg] XTM Requirements (Was RE: Is this valid per HyTime? - topicmapmai l thread)

[Peter Jones <peterj@wrox.com>]

Sam,

To expand a bit:
What was driving my suggestion was the view that since Jack's attributes
seemed to be application specific they should not be part of the XTM
specification and that they should only appear in XTM documents in such a
way that folks wanting to merge their topic maps with his would be readily
able to choose to ignore/use/abuse them whether at the time of validation by
parser or elsewhere.
I didn't make that stance clear, I know.

I am not at present sure if that is a good solution to a problem that I know
has been around in XML for a while: integrity vs flexibility. If you know of
better way to tackle this please let me know as at the moment I am planning
on implementing Wrox specific features in this way for aspects of our use of
TMs. Keep the core clean, and implement other features in ways that I can
strip out with a tiny Perl script if needs be.

best,
Peter


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Jones [mailto:peterj@wrox.com]
Sent: 28 June 2000 15:34
To: 'xtm-wg@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [xtm-wg] XTM Requirements (Was RE: Is this valid per
HyTime? - topicmapmai l thread)


Hi Sam,

I know what Jack was advocating. What I was suggesting was that he namespace
the attributes. 

<topic jackpark:x="120" jackpark:y="234" jackpark:z="456" >

Apologies if I didn't make that clear.
Keeps your GIs clean doesn't it?

I'll go and read that discussion now.

Sincerely
Peter


-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Hunting [mailto:sam_hunting@yahoo.com]
Sent: 28 June 2000 15:09
To: xtm-wg@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [xtm-wg] XTM Requirements (Was RE: Is this valid per
HyTime? - topicmapmai l thread)


[ Peter Jones writes]
> 
> Your x,y,z attributes look to me like something I would only want if
> I chose to look at a topic map in that way: application specific. 
> I.e. something that you could quite easily add in the form
> 
> jackpark:x="120" jackpark:y="234" jackpark:z="456"
> 
> so that they would be of use to you, but could be ignored by
> conforming processors.

Actually, Jack proposed attribute syntax:

    <topic x="120">

*not* namespace syntax ("jackpark:x:). 

Before advocating namespace syntax for XTM please, if you are not
already doing so, follow the current namespace discussions at W3C.
http://www.xml.com/pub/2000/05/17/deviant.html is a good starting
point. 

S.

P.S. I'm torn between  (a) rejecting them entirely, as a conceptual
morass, and (b) trying to hijack them to put them to good use. Frankly,
in practice namespaces pollute the very notion of generic identifier
with processing information, I'm inclined to alternative (a). Lie down
with dogs, get up with fleas.




=====
<? "To imagine a language is to imagine a form of life."
    -- Ludwig Wittgenstein, Philosophical Investigations ?>

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!
http://mail.yahoo.com/

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Add the interactive dimension to your web pages.
Use the MozquitoTM Factory with your editor and form the web today! 
Form the Web today - visit:
http://click.egroups.com/1/5771/4/_/337252/_/962201392/
------------------------------------------------------------------------

To Post a message, send it to:   xtm-wg@eGroups.com

To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: xtm-wg-unsubscribe@eGroups.com

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Create professional forms and interactive web pages in less time 
with Mozquito(tm) technology.
Form the Web today - visit:
http://click.egroups.com/1/5770/4/_/337252/_/962202831/
------------------------------------------------------------------------

To Post a message, send it to:   xtm-wg@eGroups.com

To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: xtm-wg-unsubscribe@eGroups.com

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Add the interactive dimension to your web pages.
Use the MozquitoTM Factory with your editor and form the web today! 
Form the Web today - visit:
http://click.egroups.com/1/5771/4/_/337252/_/962206505/
------------------------------------------------------------------------

To Post a message, send it to:   xtm-wg@eGroups.com

To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: xtm-wg-unsubscribe@eGroups.com