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Subject: [OASIS Issue Tracker] (TOSCA-318) Lack of BPMN/BPEL support


     [ https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/TOSCA-318?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]

Huabing Zhao updated TOSCA-318:
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    Description: 
I notice that the draft of  "TOSCA Simple Profile in YAML Version 1.1"  is trying to define a new workflow DSL inside TOSCA instead of using existing standards such as BPMN/BPEL which is recommended in the Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications Version 1.0[1]. 

Below is the description of plan(workflow) in the V1.0 Spec:

planLanguage: This attribute denotes the process modeling language (or metamodel) used to specify the plan. For example, “http://www.omg.org/spec/BPMN/20100524/MODEL”; would specify that BPMN 2.0 has been used to model the plan.

TOSCA does not specify a separate metamodel for defining plans. Instead, it is assumed that a process modelling language (a.k.a. metamodel) like BPEL [BPEL 2.0] or BPMN [BPMN 2.0] is used to define plans. The specification favours the use of BPMN for modelling plans.

Since many open source and property orchestration implementation have already adopted TOSCA and used the BPMN/BPEL as the process modelling language, this incompatible change may force them to refactor their implementation to adapt to the new Spec, wich will definitely cost a lot of time and work. As far as I know, OPEN-O[2], Open-TOSCA[3] and some of the internal projects of ZTE will encounter this problem.

[1] http://docs.oasis-open.org/tosca/TOSCA/v1.0/TOSCA-v1.0.html
[2]http://www.open-o.org
[3]http://www.iaas.uni-stuttgart.de/OpenTOSCA/

  was:
I notice that the draft of  "TOSCA Simple Profile in YAML Version 1.1"  is trying to define a new workflow DSL inside TOSCA instead of using existing standards such as BPMN/BPEL which is recommended in the Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications Version 1.0[1]. 

Below is the description of plan(workflow) in the V1.0 Spec:

planLanguage: This attribute denotes the process modeling language (or metamodel) used to specify the plan. For example, “http://www.omg.org/spec/BPMN/20100524/MODEL”; would specify that BPMN 2.0 has been used to model the plan.

TOSCA does not specify a separate metamodel for defining plans. Instead, it is assumed that a process modelling language (a.k.a. metamodel) like BPEL [BPEL 2.0] or BPMN [BPMN 2.0] is used to define plans. The specification favours the use of BPMN for modelling plans.

Since many open source and property orchestration implementation have already adopted TOSCA and used the BPMN/BPEL as the process modelling language, this incompatible change may force them to refactor their implementation to adapt to the new Spec, wich will definitely cost a lot of time and work. As far as I know, OPEN-O[2], Open-TOSCA[3] and some of the internal projects of ZTE will encounter this problem.



> Lack of BPMN/BPEL support
> -------------------------
>
>                 Key: TOSCA-318
>                 URL: https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/TOSCA-318
>             Project: OASIS Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications (TOSCA) TC
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: Profile-YAML
>    Affects Versions: V1.1_CSD01, V1.1_CSD02
>            Reporter: Huabing Zhao
>
> I notice that the draft of  "TOSCA Simple Profile in YAML Version 1.1"  is trying to define a new workflow DSL inside TOSCA instead of using existing standards such as BPMN/BPEL which is recommended in the Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications Version 1.0[1]. 
> Below is the description of plan(workflow) in the V1.0 Spec:
> planLanguage: This attribute denotes the process modeling language (or metamodel) used to specify the plan. For example, “http://www.omg.org/spec/BPMN/20100524/MODEL”; would specify that BPMN 2.0 has been used to model the plan.
> TOSCA does not specify a separate metamodel for defining plans. Instead, it is assumed that a process modelling language (a.k.a. metamodel) like BPEL [BPEL 2.0] or BPMN [BPMN 2.0] is used to define plans. The specification favours the use of BPMN for modelling plans.
> Since many open source and property orchestration implementation have already adopted TOSCA and used the BPMN/BPEL as the process modelling language, this incompatible change may force them to refactor their implementation to adapt to the new Spec, wich will definitely cost a lot of time and work. As far as I know, OPEN-O[2], Open-TOSCA[3] and some of the internal projects of ZTE will encounter this problem.
> [1] http://docs.oasis-open.org/tosca/TOSCA/v1.0/TOSCA-v1.0.html
> [2]http://www.open-o.org
> [3]http://www.iaas.uni-stuttgart.de/OpenTOSCA/



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