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Subject: RE: [trans-ws] Collaborative editing of the spec
Sorry for the silence... If you all agree to use this, please go ahead. I am still catching up with things that did not get done last week and things that started during the conference. Reinhard -----Original Message----- From: Reynolds, Peter [mailto:Peter.Reynolds@bowneglobal.ie] Sent: 27 September 2004 08:46 To: Magnus Martikainen; Stephen.Flinter@connectcgs.com; trans-ws@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [trans-ws] Collaborative editing of the spec Hi Magnus, Stephen, All, I was waiting for Reinhard to have a look at this. He was the person who expressed a preference for using word rather than learning new technologies. I spoke with him on Wednesday and suggested he talk with Stephen but he was in the middle of the LRC conference which he organises so I am not sure that he got around to this. I think if we are all agreed that this would be a good system we can just go ahead with it, but I would like to hear Reinhard's comments. Thanks, Peter. _____ From: Magnus Martikainen [mailto:magnus@trados.com] Sent: 24 September 2004 18:09 To: Stephen.Flinter@connectcgs.com; trans-ws@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [trans-ws] Collaborative editing of the spec Hi all, I would suggest that we give this a try. Any other opinions? If not: * When can we start? * Do we need a ballot to determine whether we go ahead with this? * Do we need to put together some official guidelines? Or should we perhaps simply run with it for now and see how it works? * Do we need any type of protection for this site, to avoid external access? Cheers, Magnus _____ From: Stephen.Flinter@connectcgs.com [mailto:Stephen.Flinter@connectcgs.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 11:20 PM To: trans-ws@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [trans-ws] Collaborative editing of the spec Magnus, 1. The wiki supports this automatically. When you edit and update a page, the page has a link 'Back in time' at the bottom. You can use this to track changes, and rollback if necessary. At present, this mechanism is pretty rudimentary, but I believe that the developers are working on something more sophisticated. 2. The notifications are handled through RSS. Check out www.bloglines.com for a web based RSS aggregator, or FeedDemon (http://www.bradsoft.com/feeddemon/index.asp) for a windows based one, if you're not familiar with RSS. Effectively, what will happen is if you subscribe to the feed, your feed aggregator will poll it on a regular basis (say every 2 hours), and you'll see any changes there. 3 & 4. The idea behind wikis is that everybody can add whatever they like, and that through the editing process it all gets cleaned up properly. What I would suggest is that people put their own contributions & annotations directly onto the appropriate page, and we can remove all of this in the final publication. The typical approach that you see in wikis is that people surround their own contribution with horizontal lines (e.g. see the note on this page: http://212.147.140.51:2500/wiki/show/requestQuote to see what I mean). Obviously, people will have to be sensible about how they edit this, and not just change anything they want just because it suits them. Anyway, good to hear that there is some appetite for this. Regards, Steve --------------------------------------------- Stephen Flinter Connect Global Solutions [t] +353 (0)1 882 9038 [f] +353 (0)1 882 9050 [m] +353 87 798 1228 [e] stephen.flinter@connectcgs.com [w] www.connectcgs.com -------------------------------------------- "Magnus Martikainen" <magnus@trados.com> 21/09/2004 18:07 To <Stephen.Flinter@connectcgs.com>, <trans-ws@lists.oasis-open.org> cc Subject RE: [trans-ws] Collaborative editing of the spec Hi Stephen, This is a great initiative! I am all for it, it should help us a lot to keep the specs up-to-date if everyone that identifies an issue can go in and change it directly. But obviously with that freedom comes some responsibility, and I guess we may need to put together some guidelines for how we should work. I am not familiar with Wiki or RSS so I have a couple of questions: * Is it possible to track the history of the content, retrieve an "old" version, or see exactly what changes has been done and perhaps reverting to an earlier version? * Is it possible to get notifications when content is changed and to see what changes were made? * It could be useful to be able to do edit the content as a "change proposal" without it explicitly being part of the "official" content until it has been signed off by others. Would this be possible? * Is it possible to annotate changes with comments explaining why they were made? Thanks a lot for taking your time in setting this up! Magnus _____ From: Stephen.Flinter@connectcgs.com [mailto:Stephen.Flinter@connectcgs.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:51 AM To: trans-ws@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [trans-ws] Collaborative editing of the spec All, given that a number of people are tasked with editing the spec, I thought that a collaborative environment such as a wiki might be useful. To that end, I spent a few hours creating a wiki, and making it publically available. Check out: http://212.147.140.51:2500 For those of you who use RSS feed aggregators, there is also as RSS feed available, so you can follow progress on the doc: http://212.147.140.51:2500/wiki/rss_with_content The wiki engine (Instiki - www.instiki.org) is supposed to have PDF & LaTeX export functionalaity, but that appears to be broken at the moment. However, when I get that sorted, it should mean that we can produce a printable copy of the spec directly from the wiki. Take a look, and let me know what you think, and whether you reckon it's worth pursuing with this approach, or whether the posted/emailed Word docs are better. Peter, if you're happy with this approach, feel free to post a link on the TransWS home page. I'll keep the wiki server up for the duration of the development of the spec (and perhaps move it to a more permanent home if this exercise is successful). Regards, Steve --------------------------------------------- Stephen Flinter Connect Global Solutions [t] +353 (0)1 882 9038 [f] +353 (0)1 882 9050 [m] +353 87 798 1228 [e] stephen.flinter@connectcgs.com [w] www.connectcgs.com -------------------------------------------- ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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